New weapons #2

[Ragetra]

Where are you pulling these mystical numbers from?

http://auno.org/ao/equip.php?saveid=83844 this config (is even more since i forgot 2 util slots, and did only 200ish imps right wrist/hand)
full researches, 250ish focus tower, opifex, 240 evadecontracts skill and trickledown
=1998 dodge (1983 evade clc, 1943 duck) (had been 1970)
760 aad from equip (had been 710)
300 aad from cib 65 from research=365
310 from heroic
100 from commanding presence
80 from 250 transfer
-->1998+760+300+310+100+80=3548
same equipp+cola+pistol masteryperkline+Greater Gunslinger+research, opifex, trickledown+250 ransacking tower
=2276 pistol
260 aao from presence
100 aao from heroic
205 aao from equipp
80 aao from 250 guardian of presence
=645 aao
--> 2921 AR
since champion of xx perks use AR+aao, it's 2921+645=3566 attackskill on champion of xx perks (even did a mistake when i estimated the amount earlier the evening, so it's even much more)
thats more than melee advis have in a nearly complete defensive setup (about 2550 evades with limber+~1k aad, and 2800-2900 normal ar, ~3,2k on champion of xx perks)
funny, eh?

[PingBong]

why do crats get towers and not advs

[IHaveHugeNick]

Yes, nothing like counting 5x q250 towers (LOL1), evade contracts (LOL2), and hud3 research device (LOL3) that isnt even ingame, not to mention q300 symbs, and pretending to have a valid point. You forgot to include Blackmane Stat Buffer.

Whining because you dont want others to be improved is one thing, but posting numbers pulled out of the air and then posting fake setups to prove it, yeah right. I believe word "busted" applies. You sir, are an ass.

I do like to argue or even flame , but that's just low and lame attempt of cheating in dissussion.

[crattey]

Full ql300 symbs on crat haha. Nice going there. Master twinkage! Rofl, honestly. If you'r going to post a fake setup, atleast make it somewhat credible. I bet you have 90 perks too

[IHaveHugeNick]

I believe that

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Is a right thing to do.

[Ragetra]

Yes, nothing like counting 5x q250 towers (LOL1), evade contracts (LOL2), and hud3 research device (LOL3) that isnt even ingame, not to mention q300 symbs, and pretending to have a valid point.

4: focus, ransacking, transfer, presence. no more. thats 4 to me. you know counting?
evade contracts: don't you have? i do....
research device: not ingame?!? o_O
300ish symbs....easier like a walk in the park nowadays...

@mrstabby the advi has the same condus (well learning instead of ransacking)

[crattey]

Tell me ragetra, what do you think of my setup? I'm almost done with it:

http://auno.org/ao/equip.php?saveid=83855

I also have 11 evades towers btw.

[IHaveHugeNick]

You gimp! You should have at least GA V.

[crattey]

You gimp! You should have at least GA V.

Let's try and keep things realistic shall we?

[Ragetra]

Let's try and keep things realistic shall we?

where is it not?

[IHaveHugeNick]

Let's try and keep things realistic shall we?

Well if we include hud 3 devides...

[IHaveHugeNick]

Tell me ragetra, what do you think of my setup? I'm almost done with it:

http://auno.org/ao/equip.php?saveid=83855

I also have 11 evades towers btw.

After i compared this setup to best possible setup 220 Adventurer can reach , i found the shocking truth = Crats have almost 4000 more defense (879+2700) then Adventurers. That's just unacceptable, wtb fix.

[Kyai]

evade contracts: don't you have? i do....
research device: not ingame?!? o_O

a) If your org goes for evade contracts that's fine. We have full towersites and our contracts are all nanoskills and abilities, since those provide the most general benefit. This is the model that most orgs I know use.

b) I don't think anyone's got to level 2 health, let alone level 3 defense research yet.

[IHaveHugeNick]

Hey, he is from RK3, i heard Elvis is Pande bot leader there.

[Ragetra]

a) If your org goes for evade contracts that's fine. We have full towersites and our contracts are all nanoskills and abilities, since those provide the most general benefit. This is the model that most orgs I know use.

b) I don't think anyone's got to level 2 health, let alone level 3 defense research yet.

a.)mosts i know use nanoskills, evades, as, only some abilities, and usually only if they need to equipp. nevertheless, thats only ~20 less, not that much
b.)might be, but that doesn't mean they aren't ingame, it's only a question of time till they are usable.

[crattey]

Good job then on posting your actual setup. If you're going to go by the theory of adding everything that might someday be able to equip, the setup I listed is as relevant to this discussion as yours.
We're talking about what evades crats can achieve, not what possible items you can click on auno to your imaginary setup.

[Ragetra]

Good job then on posting your actual setup. If you're going to go by the theory of adding everything that might someday be able to equip, the setup I listed is as relevant to this discussion as yours.
We're talking about what evades crats can achieve, not what possible items you can click on auno to your imaginary setup.

- never said that's my setup anywhere
- the only imaginary is a item you are whining about, cause you don't want to use it in it's current state.
- unless you are using items which are really not ingame, we are talking about evades crats or whoever can achieve. if you use 250ish symbs instead of 300ish, it's your thing... every point is important, or are you still 219 cause your too lasy to get 20+ aditional points?
- it doesn't make a difference either, cause if you leave out the current "imaginary item", you have to leave it out at advis too. if both have 100 evades and 50 aad less, crat still has about the same evasive defense like the advi with limber. and it does nothing about the attackrating, and the power of perking.
- i exspect the next thing you say, not every crat has the will to equipp a "good" equippment. so do advis, keepers, docs, whatever.

[Kyai]

Actually I think the next point would be, what difference would being able to land Champion of XXX perks make for a crat; they're hardly badass.

[crattey]

Actually, i think the next point would be that not every crat has acces to a personal 250 tower site.
I think the next point would be that if I were to design a setup the way you choose too, I can design keepers/enforcers/soldiers that will still perk a crat in the setup you posted. That doesn't mean the setup I select is in any way viable.

Don't be a senseless troll by posting imaginary setups. There isn't a single crat in full ql300 symbs. Just because you can select stuff on auno doesn't mean it's an actual setup.

I think the most important point would still be: crats need AS to pvp, so your setup fails horribly lol.

Also, great going on comparing a crat with all perks, research and buffs to an unbuffed/unperked advy. Forgot about Dance, Stare Leader of the Pack, Calia's Morph: Wolf, Acrobat, Shadowstalker and The Call did we? Or don't melee advies on RK3 buff up or use perks?

Long point short; you're clueless. Stop trying to talk like you know the first thing about crat pvp, or hell, AO in general, because you're really not contributing here.

[Ragetra]

Actually, i think the next point would be that not every crat has acces to a personal 250 tower site.

but advis, soldier and keeper do, right?

I think the next point would be that if I were to design a setup the way you choose too, I can design keepers/enforcers/soldiers that will still perk a crat in the setup you posted. That doesn't mean the setup I select is in any way viable.

might be. so 3 profs are able to perk you. and crats are able to perk nearly everyone. so no need of as. or everyone but those 3, if it's possible ,need as on their weapon. or everyone, cause nobody but troxes can perk fixers

Don't be a senseless troll by posting imaginary setups. There isn't a single crat in full ql300 symbs. Just because you can select stuff on auno doesn't mean it's an actual setup.

there is. but let me guess. you are not.

I think the most important point would still be: crats need AS to pvp, so your setup fails horribly lol.

first point

Also, great going on comparing a crat with all perks, research and buffs to an unbuffed/unperked advy. Forgot about Dance, Stare Leader of the Pack, Calia's Morph: Wolf, Acrobat, Shadowstalker and The Call did we? Or don't melee advies on RK3 buff up or use perks?

~2550 evades+1k aad for about 3550 defense is with morph stare lotp stalker, the call and limber. if you want dof aswell, also mention dodge the blame, overrule, defensive stance....

Long point short; i'm clueless.

fixed.

nevertheless, make us a keeper config with rootresist, evades, heal, cocoon and reaver plz