New weapons #2

[tehacidbaron]

Already have. Engineer pet procs = weapon. Crat pet procs = weapon, Fixer weapon = Hawk, ranged adv = Survivability is so high DPS definitely needs no upgrade.

Pet procs? friendly Engineer pet procs....pass the doobie on the left hand side?

How dumb is this post, lol.

I guess you're refering to yourself, you're forgiven.


Pets are not a viable weapon unless the other is new to PvP.
Pets can be kited easly, fact.
Pets get stuck at certain spots, fact.
Pets got a slower response time then any other weapon, fact.
Pets are a nice weapon on paper, fact.
Pets are our offensive, fact.

Pets don't work as our offensive and therefor it's not a matter of improving "offense" it's given an offense that works
Ofcourse you can ignore everthing and other issues to make it look viable, that's a smart tactic to walk around the know issues and try to avoid a discussion.

[crattey]

Anyway back to the original topic. You're crying about all these dark blue skills you -have- to raise blah blah whine whine bitch moan gripe.

Ask. For. Real. Love.

Taking the easy way out and trying to be another drone in Aimshot Online isn't going to get a single thing fixed. I mean come on you're complaining about a froob shotgun having crappy AS...well duh...

Yes you have it tough. Against anyone with at least semi decent defense your damage sucks by way of lack of alpha. But come on crying for AS then crying about the AS nerf (if you want AS, you use a scope, it hasn't been nerfed, you just have to make a choice, PERIOD) is just dumb.

Maybe your professional needs a kick in the pants? But really, you want a decent solutions. AS isn't it.

It's the fact that others get to use th global research at only a fraction of the price we have to pay for it. Global research is supposed to be a faction effort, locking certain profession from using it is retarded and uncalled for as these profesions are already at the bottom of the pvp ladder.

As for asking for AS. You know FC right? The odds of them coming up with an effective, functional alternative to AS is virtually non-existant, as we've been stuck without it for years now.
So, instead, we ask for the easy way out, as there's a tiny, tiny chance FC might grant us atleast that. See MPs -> blockers + Tigress and the required support to use it = fixed. It might not be what they wanted, but atleast it's something.

[Hacre]

It's the fact that others get to use th global research at only a fraction of the price we have to pay for it. Global research is supposed to be a faction effort, locking certain profession from using it is retarded and uncalled for as these profesions are already at the bottom of the pvp ladder.

As for asking for AS. You know FC right? The odds of them coming up with an effective, functional alternative to AS is virtually non-existant, as we've been stuck without it for years now.
So, instead, we ask for the easy way out, as there's a tiny, tiny chance FC might grant us atleast that. See MPs -> blockers + Tigress and the required support to use it = fixed. It might not be what they wanted, but atleast it's something.

Yeah, it is unfortunate that MPs were fixed with AS. But not all global research is combat based nor is it all PVP based. I too, use an AS swap since I decided I didn't want to be trox+MR to perk people so for those I can't perk I at least give em a good sting with AS (fixers, MAs etc). In light of the global research I've had to tweak my IP even more, again, to put IP into perception so I can swap my hud3 stuff around. Even for me, the hud3 stuff is -not- a no brainer.

What we should be complaining about is how the research was implemented (hud3 only item, wtf) but then we tried that and got nowhere.

[crattey]

Aye. You loose out on 7.5% crit when you take off a scope. It's choice you make, depending on wether you want 150 evades/75 AR or the 7.5% crit. When your AS is already crap due to Ithaca being well, poo, and you can barely get enough AS to cap the recharg as it is, taking out the scope is not option.

Basically our AS has the same issues our burst has. No support, lowest possible base skill and dark blue. The scope allows use to use it. Without a scope, you might as well not use at all. Apart from docs, we're the only profession that still depends on crappy ancient RK weapons as their only offense. Won't comment on the doc pistols + new dot. I know I can't help but lol when a doc tries to kill me that way. Imagine any class with heals, evades or decent health lols at them, so basically, everyone

And I too would rather not be dependant on AS shotguns/bows. But it's the only option. It's a huge ip sink, and it is worth it, let there be no mistake. But it can't survive the nerf we recieve if we choose we to use the global research.

Keepers and adventurers atleast having the option to use it is a very bitter pill, as they are already miles ahead in pvp viability. I'm not asking to have them nerfed, but I would like it atleast we wouldn't be put behind any further than is already the case.

I chose a crat knowing full well we'd not be up there with the advies and keepers. I just didn't expect us to be nerfed any further with LE, which is exactly what happened. Masters Bidding and stun procs don't outweigh the huge hit we took in defenses and lack of offensive improvements.

[Hacre]

Aye. You loose out on 7.5% crit when you take off a scope. It'a choice you make. When your AS is already crap due to Ithaca being well, poo, and you can barely get enough AS to cap the recharg as it is, taking out the scope is not option.

Basicailly our AS has the same issues our burst has. No support, lowest possible base skill and dark blue. The scope allows use to use it. Without a scope, you might as well not use at all.

And I too would rather not be dependant on AS shotguns/bows. But it's th only option. It's a huge ip sink, and it is worth it, let there be no mistake. But it can't survive the nerf we recieve if we choose we to use the global research.

Keepers and adventurers having the option atleast is a very bitter pill, as they are already miles ahead in pvp viability. I'm not asking to have them nerfed, but I would lik it that if we atleast don't put behind any further than is the case.

I chose a crat knowing full well we'd not be up there with the advies and keepers. I didn't expect us to be nerfed any further with LE, which is exactly what happened. Masters Bidding and stun procs don't outweigh the huge hit we took in defenses and lack of offensive improvements.

I only have the choice due to sacrifices made to put IP into perception. Otherwise if I wanted to use a scope I'd be chasing down a clan soli SB or a shed load of percep buffs like anyone else. I can't tell you how often I use my AS swap, I use it a lot and like your's, without scope its useless.

I'd like to not have to use it but ho hum there are some professions I just can't hit and since AS is my only guaranteed hit hard hitting special (no sneak, no dimach) I have to make do with it and make the best of it. However I am also spoiled by being able to use an Arbalest which I imagine would be better than an Ithica? Easy enough to cap the recharge on it and it gets some sweet crits on AS with enough pumping into crit/AS and enough weapon skill to hit MBS.

[crattey]

Depends, Ithaca is better when it crits, but arbalest would have a lot better regular ASs, which make up most of the ASs anyway.

Besides, don't keepers use a supernova, so they get a guaranteed high AS in? I'd imagine it capping even without a scope.

Also, maxing IP to swap is a sacrifice, but I think we already established that virtually every prof has to dump IP in tons of skills in order to PvP Having dark blue evades, runspeed, nanoresist and weapon skills will get rather heavy on ip too

[Hacre]

Depends, Ithaca is better when it crits, but arbalest would have a lot better regular ASs, which make up most of the ASs anyway.

Besides, don't keepers use a supernova, so they get a guaranteed high AS in? I'd imagine it capping even without a scope.

Also, maxing IP to swap is a sacrifice, but I think we already established that virtually every prof has to dump IP in tons of skills in order to PvP Having dark blue evades, runspeed, nanoresist and weapon skills will get rather heavy on ip too

Some keepers use a supernova as a finisher for an alpha. I'd rather have the 11s recharge especially when fighting people I can't perk. I'd rather rely on decent equip than mongo ****. But that does leave me with using AS swap to wear down fixers and MAs hence going for the shorter recharge. Bear in mind vs those profs its easier to cap anyway due to less health.

[XenonDe]

I don't see the relation to the perception. I had raised perpection too but support profession have the same choice, raise perception or get a SB. Putting IP into it is a sacrifice for comfort to use a pvm HUD more easily.

For support professions there are also professions they just can't hit. MUCH more then for a keeper too. Sneak and dimach is also rarely in the Support hands, and big hard hitting perks are also missing.

So AS is their only guaranteed hit and for non MP/Trader it rarely does more then 1-1.5k damage against pvp'ers now. They are too crit dependant. We all want a working toolset, but so far that hasn't happend and for many got worse. NR1+NR2 toons everywhere certainly don't help either.

Interestinly though all "Alternatives to AS" that funcom tried to implement yet work very badly against combat profs and very good against support profs.
NSD, ENSD, Roots+pets, Pets, GTH, drains (to some degree), dots (to some degree), Init debuffs, NSD-proc, Init-debuff procs, .......
Go figure.

[crattey]

Tiny difference is that you need AS versus fixers/MAs, we need AS versus every prof as it's not an alternative to our main weapon line; it is our main weapon line in pvp. Hence the swap to global research items is not an option.

[Hacre]

I don't see the relation to the perception. I had raised perpection too but support profession have the same choice, raise perception or get a SB. Putting IP into it is a sacrifice for comfort to use a pvm HUD more easily.

You don't see the relation? No perception means you can't hot swap hud3 stuff. It isn't just for viral scope, AS scope too.

Tiny difference is that you need AS versus fixers/MAs, we need AS versus every prof as it's not an alternative to our main weapon line; it is our main weapon line in pvp. Hence the swap to global research items is not an option.

Indeed, hence my support for you wanting your weaponry fixed. I'd rather have a decent scrap vs a crat instead of just waiting out CiB then wtfpwning them with 2 perks. I am sure NR1/NR2 profs suck for you, you won't find too many keepers going NR1 however (I certainly won't, my god it'd hurt the stuff I cast a fair bit). NR1/2 to you is acrobat to me, a pain. Luckily for me only 3 professions can use my "defense nemesis". Keepers who do go NR1 are making some serious sacrifices somewhere else. Blame the NT toolset for that.

[XenonDe]

Well there are support proffession too that switch the scope out and need to sacrifice the ip. If by hotswap you mean you swap your scope mid combat you are right. It's a sacrifice suppport profession are not able to make because nano casting professions can't swap armor/hud pieces midcombat.

Acrobat professions are still vulnerable to AS, unless it's a advy, and their +800 isn't up all the time. But I didn't want to go into a evades vs nanoresist dicussion anyway. Keepers even without NR 1 are damn hard to cast upon and are not very affected by most support tools anyway though. In comparison to other "Combat" professions of course, wouldn't even compare it to support profs.

[crattey]

Either it's new weaponry, or it's the ability to use global research and a boost to defenses. It's quite retarded that even keepers who have a far lesser equip than me, and thus can't even perk me w/o CiB up, who do not have an ounce of root resistance, not even free movement stims, can still choose to swap to an AS weapon and force me to run circles and use LoS, healing up.

Much worse is the huge stream of MR troxes fresh from ely kites, who can kill you as fast as a 220/30/70 keeper in the best possible setup, just because my perks can't be used reactively versus MR.

It takes away a good deal of the fun of PvP, and makes you annoyed as hell, that your billions and billions worth of equip (full CSS, ELLTS, the works) still means you can't compete with someone with half the experience and equipment.

PvP should reward time and thought invested into your setup / strategy / 'skill' (used loosely ) more than it should reward making the 'right' choice at character selection.

[Hacre]

Either it's new weaponry, or it's the ability to use global research and a boost to defenses. It's quite retarded that even keepers who have a far lesser equip than me, and thus can't even perk me w/o CiB up, who do not have an ounce of root resistance, not even free movement stims, can still choose to swap to an AS weapon and force me to run circles and use LoS, healing up.

Much worse is the huge stream of MR troxes fresh from ely kites, who can kill you as fast as a 220/30/70 keeper in the best possible setup, just because my perks can't be used reactively versus MR.

It takes away a good deal of the fun of PvP, and makes you annoyed as hell, that your billions and billions worth of equip (full CSS, ELLTS, the works) still means you can't compete with someone with half the experience and equipment.

PvP should reward time and thought invested into your setup / strategy / 'skill' (used loosely ) more than it should reward making the 'right' choice at character selection.

Agreed here, actually. Especially the MR troxes and the last part.

[Ragetra]

def skill(dodge+aad or nr+aad) needed to resist crat champion of xx perks: 3300
attackskill needed to perk a crat without perks up: 3500
how many profs have either 3300 (nr+aad) or (dodge+aad) all the time? so in need of aimed shot....

[IHaveHugeNick]

To ensure balance, every proffesion that isnt played by Kinkstaah should be forbidden to wear weapons.

[IHaveHugeNick]

You know what i love?

When Keepers hotswaping to supernova and using AS - everything is perfectly fine. They are FORCED to do it. Poor Keepers.

Support proffesions are asking for AS weapons - No, what the hell is wrong with you, you want AS? You arent forced to use it, are you? How about you start using your toolset instead?

Well how about YOU start to use your toolset. I dont see how Aimed Shots fits Keepers or Shades more then it fits RANGED support proffesions.

[Hacre]

attackskill needed to perk a crat without perks up: 3500
how many profs have either 3300 (nr+aad) or (dodge+aad) all the time? so in need of aimed shot....

Um...no? I've never had even close to 3.5k AR and I can perk crats that don't have CiB running just fine. Perhaps you mean WITH perks (ie CiB) up (read: running)?

[Ragetra]

Um...no? I've never had even close to 3.5k AR and I can perk crats that don't have CiB running just fine. Perhaps you mean WITH perks (ie CiB) up (read: running)?

than you only meet those poor little gimps.they exist in every profession. there are advis running around dying from just the shot concussive as fling or a single s'n'd+fast
1970+100+310+365+710+80~3.5k

[Hacre]

You know what i love?

When Keepers hotswaping to supernova and using AS - everything is perfectly fine. They are FORCED to do it. Poor Keepers.

Support proffesions are asking for AS weapons - No, what the hell is wrong with you, you want AS? You arent forced to use it, are you? How about you start using your toolset instead?

Well how about YOU start to use your toolset. I dont see how Aimed Shots fits Keepers or Shades more then it fits RANGED support proffesions.

Me neither.

Roll a keeper, then tell me what I should/should not be using. I don't want to have to use AS. I'd rather not have to rely on my perk damage all the time. Sure its great fun when I run into professions I can pew pew with numbers 1 and 2 on my hotbar. Not so much fun when they get resisted however and suddenly all that damage I can do is -gone-. The reason I'm not bitching and crying like a little girl over nerfs to AS or +crit resistance is I am fully aware that I'm not "intended" to have AS. But I can spend the IP if I wish and instead of supernova pew pew I actually spent some money and some time and some thought in solving my problem vs evade professions. I am not here whining for an improved sword that has a lower def check for evade profs nor am I screaming for sneak attack (though it'd be nice and I'd lose AS tomorrow if I had sneak on a sword).

You think the Supernova is so uber? You do know what the recharge is on that, right? So unless someone is perkable, for someone to rely on that is just, well, highly amusing. It is a good finisher at best provided you cap it and time it right. Insane recharge though. What are you bitching about anyway, since when was AS a problem for engis?

than you only meet those poor little gimps.they exist in every profession. there are advis running around dying from just the shot concussive as fling or a single s'n'd+fast
1970+100+310+365+710+80~3.5k

Where are you pulling these mystical numbers from?

[crattey]

def skill(dodge+aad or nr+aad) needed to resist crat champion of xx perks: 3300
attackskill needed to perk a crat without perks up: 3500
how many profs have either 3300 (nr+aad) or (dodge+aad) all the time? so in need of aimed shot....

3300 NR+AAD needed to resist crats perking CoNC perks? How exactly would you go around getting 3.3K AR as a crat? You must have mad skillz.

3500 AR to perk a crat w/o CiB or shuffle up? Maybe you can join your org mate and come to the crat professional forums. Both of you sem to know a lot better how to setup / pvp on a crat than everyone that actually has a crat. I for one can't figure out for the life of me how to get a passive 3500 defenses. So please, show us newbie crats how it's done.

Alternatively, stop pulling random numbers out of your ass.