Major NT Changes in the Rebalancing Act

[Hacre]

Oh man why didn't you win??? I voted for you on both my accounts and so did everyone I know... Sigh pretentiousness always seems to triumph over humble skills, as far as recognition is concerned. oh well. Don't stop doing what you do m8.

Hehe thank you for your support. Don't worry though. I have great respect for and get along very well with both professionals. I have great faith that my more sensible posts don't go unnoticed by them, while I'm free of the Professional tag when it comes to telling people they're idiots.

[RedWatr]

...while I'm free of the Professional tag when it comes to telling people they're idiots.

hi5!

[Solstiare]

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I'm actually incredibly pissed that flaming, whining idiots with no sense of actual reality has won out in this fight. More pissed that people like you believe the plethora of blathering idiots that post about them.

Damage type complaint is retarded. Everyone will be dealing the same damage type. Multiple damage types renders the offence useless in the face of cocoon professions and it's not as if one Triple busts through cocoon, because it doesn't. Yet FA and AS does, but no one whines about those.

The problem with LE nukes en masse was the reflect debuff of -all- damage types instead of just debuffing Radiation.

more or less sums up the running debate since LE was released.

[Valhallur]

These changes made me forget about the "balancing" my adv is going to recieve for a little while.

<3

[schloops]

All professions are getting nerfed... do you really expect nts to keep le nukes while being able to cast multiple spells in parallel?

Peeps!! We are getting a new exciting toolset and we currently have absolutely no information that would allow us to judge how balanced we will be... so let's just cheer the exciting changes and wait for more info before screaming?

What did le nukes bring us:
- strength versus low hp setups: multi-casting could fill that job
- ripping through reflects: spell weaving could fill that job though doubtly as efficiently as le nukes
- regular burst dmg: multi-casting-weaving and easier to land perks may fill that
- burst dmg last minute gift: triple was a nice parting gift versus someone running away... I can live without that
- mobility: 1s cast time is a huge difference from 2s cast time. Since all nukes are being reworked, if we keep this as one of our focus, there is no reason what we currently know would make that go away
- low nano init reqs: well yah, important too, but since we have no info on the coming nanoes, I see no reason to start screaming

They also brought us a looooooong recharge and stopped ns from being used.

Aaaaaaaaand gth is being nerfed.

I really don't see a reason to scream here... everything will be in the details... which haven't been given to us (nor probably decided yet).

I'm excited actually.

Cheer up ^^.

[navycut]

Probably one of the nuke combos will allow for reflect ripping

[Hacre]

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I do actually agree with you, my hopes are high that the changes will be good. Like I said, I'll just be pissed if we end up with a net loss, for the sake of change, due to whining fools.

[schloops]

I do actually agree with you, my hopes are high that the changes will be good. Like I said, I'll just be pissed if we end up with a net loss, for the sake of change, due to whining fools.

Oh I'd be too, but think us nts usually do a good job at dispelling myths and outing the idiots .

Reason I push for calm is that screaming to the wolf too oftenly can have consequences. Better if we work at defining our profession with words such as controlling our environment, mobility, high dmg, etc.

@navycut: yes, spell-weaving seems the probable path. Looks like an elegant solution.

[X-Styx-X]

some nice ideas and stuff

If we have to cast multiple nukes to get a effect that we need to kill a target...
is nr being nerfed ? nr perks removed, hhab and stuff ?
1 counter would be devastateing and perking 22K nr isnt realy balence

what about running while nukeing ?
i can expect ur taget to be long gone in bs if its gonna take forever to kill it due to haveing to stack nuke effects

i heard NS2 getting a longer durration , what about NBG ? ( remove depletion plox )

No more LE nukes so we gonna get crap dmg cuz everyone has Rffe in bs/pvp ?
make it self only plox :O

some of these changes seem interesting but mostly just for pvm
and doubt many rolled a nt for pvm
so far looks like we going back to pre-LE nerfed status , hope we get some more pvp content
or i'm a be stuck on my other tl7's >_<

[Edta]

i heard NS2 getting a longer duration

NS2 seems to get shorter duration, not sure where you got you info. Could be of course that only NS1 gets shorter duration which would make sense as for now it's recharge is the biggest downside of it, but in a local cooldown this would not be the case anymore.

No more LE nukes so we gonna get crap dmg cuz everyone has Rffe in bs/pvp ?
make it self only plox :O

Everybody else always have to deal with reflects. I think we should just get enough normal damage so that it is enough when somebody has reflects (and even more when somebody hasn't). Or we could nanoweave it away. Self-only rrfe is a silly idea and is discussed somewhere else.

so far looks like we going back to pre-LE nerfed status

I'm froob and yet I don't feel too nerfed.

[navycut]

some nice ideas and stuff

If we have to cast multiple nukes to get a effect that we need to kill a target...
is nr being nerfed ? nr perks removed, hhab and stuff ?
1 counter would be devastateing and perking 22K nr isnt realy balence

what about running while nukeing ?
i can expect ur taget to be long gone in bs if its gonna take forever to kill it due to haveing to stack nuke effects

i heard NS2 getting a longer durration , what about NBG ? ( remove depletion plox )

No more LE nukes so we gonna get crap dmg cuz everyone has Rffe in bs/pvp ?
make it self only plox :O

some of these changes seem interesting but mostly just for pvm
and doubt many rolled a nt for pvm
so far looks like we going back to pre-LE nerfed status , hope we get some more pvp content
or i'm a be stuck on my other tl7's >_<

Why do you always post clueless stuff?

Ok firstly, when someone counters a long recharge nuke and you can't do anything in the meanwhile, that's pretty bad yeah.

But if you got fast-ish recharging nukes, the effects of NR would not be as evident since you could sorta spam it.

Also you don't know that NTs won't get reflect ripping nukes.

As for stacking nuke effects, you can cast the nukes all at once supposedly so it wont take forever to stack all.

[X-Styx-X]

Why do you always post clueless stuff?

Clueless ? Guess why people ask Questions mr know it all.
i'm not the Dev so i ASK , grow some manners navy
U answering Question u know NOTHING about yet, ur just as clueless as i am in this.

Ok firstly, when someone counters a long recharge nuke and you can't do anything in the meanwhile, that's pretty bad yeah.

But if you got fast-ish recharging nukes, the effects of NR would not be as evident since you could sorta spam it.

As for stacking nuke effects, you can cast the nukes all at once supposedly so it wont take forever to stack all.

-It was said that u have to cast a number of nukes in the right order to get the effect u might need.
these nukes would get lockouts , sounds like if u get 1 counter u get to start over since ur lockout on that nuke so can't compleet the stack.
-so NO u can't spam it.
-Everything fights runing in pvp, doubt people gonna w8t around for us to stack our nukes, there was not said all our nukes where gonna be 1/1...

Also you don't know that NTs won't get reflect ripping nukes.

i dont know , correct
can u guess why i asked if something gonna be done about reflects like rffe ?

[X-Styx-X]

NS2 seems to get shorter duration, not sure where you got you info. Could be of course that only NS1 gets shorter duration which would make sense as for now it's recharge is the biggest downside of it, but in a local cooldown this would not be the case anymore.


Everybody else always have to deal with reflects. I think we should just get enough normal damage so that it is enough when somebody has reflects (and even more when somebody hasn't). Or we could nanoweave it away. Self-only rrfe is a silly idea and is discussed somewhere else.


I'm froob and yet I don't feel too nerfed.

tough i read in start of topic something about ns getting longer durration or something
Seeing as they are trying to make pvp last longer then just alpha-killing , would make sense they increase ns2 and nbg too. (yah ns1 sucks , not worth buying)
so many new stuff that keeps ya guessing

Engis has shield ripping stuff too (and all agents atm ) it was part of our toolset :/

We seem to be getting allot of interesting nukes , wich is good i'm sure i'll love it on my 86
but not much been said yet about whats our pvp dmg gonna be like endgame
If they give us that much DD so wa can quickly kill a target with Rffe running, we'd be OP vs targets that didn't have rffe , hope they do gve us some shield ripper options.

gonna make pvm more interesting then standing there going IU IU IU IU DM ...

[Edta]

tough i read in start of topic something about ns getting longer durration or something

Guess you misread :

Oh, Nullity Sphere is going to have the root removed and local cooldown. Duration would see a decrease.

If they give us that much DD so we can quickly kill a target with Rffe running, we'd be OP vs targets that didn't have rffe , hope they do give us some shield ripper options.

So every non-NT, non-engi, non-agent prof that can kill somebody with rrfe is OP? I don't see the difference.
Would be nice to get shield-ripping nanoweaving of course and since it's part of our toolset right now it also makes sense to get it.

[X-Styx-X]

Guess you misread :





So every non-NT, non-engi, non-agent prof that can kill somebody with rrfe is OP? I don't see the difference.
Would be nice to get shield-ripping nanoweaving of course and since it's part of our toolset right now it also makes sense to get it.

must be just ns1 they changeing then (crap xd )

yeh i hope they give us something to keep this part of our toolset
On high hp targets with rffe even IU was pretty crappy DD and easly outhealed.
Nt's are kinda diffrent then other Proffs , since no specials/regulars and little DD perks
would be nice to see someone let us know NT's gonna stay good DD in pvp

[DecemberSky]

As far as Enf vs NT goes, Enf has always been our true nemesis, with Enf's always being the NT killer. We will be reworking all nemesis nanos in the future. I really have no details on how strong they will be or if our will even be for Enforcers.

Lot's of things are changing. MOST things are changing, to be honest. There is no reason to fret. For instance, I know along with Nanopool being changed... the Max HP someone can reach in this game is going to be dramatically changed too.

If you really want to know how we'll potentially stack up against other professions, go read their "Rebalancing" Threads in their respective forums.

I saw someone suggest a nuke while running, although I dont think we are getting that, I do believe all of our new "Chain" nanos are insta cast. I can explain it in a little more detail as to how the new nukes might work:


If done right, we can actually choose the rate and timing of the damage we deal making NTs have an effective alpha. This is how I'm envisioning it so far:

Nuke A (Strong Nuke) > Insta Cast with 10 second recharge.
Nuke B (Medium Nuke) > Insta Cast with 5 second recarge
Nuke C (Weak Nuke) > Insta cast with 1.25 second recharge.

In a PvM situation, with this sort of system... it could pan out like this:

Cast Nuke A > Nuke B> Nuke C > Nuke C > Nuke C > Nuke C > Nuke B > Nuke C > Nuke C > Nuke C > Nuke C

That would be the chain to get the most damage output.

In PvP the initial Nuke A > Nuke B > Nuke C combo would be equivalent to another professions alpha. It would be available every 10 seconds. Not too shabby. Of course there will have to be some tweeking. Im not sure if Si/DM will be on their own lock down or how that'll play out, but as far as the new nukes, we will actually have a nano "alpha".

[Hacre]

Are they going to be looking at nano init/attack times on some nanos?

[DecemberSky]

I havent heard anything about nano init, per say... but Nano init on SL nukes will probably abolished, since it will all be instacast more than likely. I suggested that we update all RK nukes to be useful like Ol' Faithful is at lower levels. Instead of having a bunch of crap nukes, giving the NT some real choices.

[RedWatr]

Nuke A (Strong Nuke) > Insta Cast with 10 second recharge.
Nuke B (Medium Nuke) > Insta Cast with 5 second recarge
Nuke C (Weak Nuke) > Insta cast with 1.25 second recharge.

some questions:

so, we're locked out of switching targets for 10 seconds? or does this A nuke lockout only apply to target it's running on?

in pvm, what about targets that are dead in much less than 10 seconds, which is super common. we have to sit around doing nothing for the next mob until the cooldown wears off?

can we start the chain with B?

Also, what if B nuke is countered,are we stuff with 5 second recharge? does it reset the chain? what if A nuke is countered, are we still locked into 10 second recharge?

Who's going to buy me a keyboard when i wear out my keys between constant nuking and trying to perk at the same time? oO! Will i grow a third hand to help me kill a doc once a year?

I love to hear more about new options for debuffs, how will we manage fp enfo agents, fp doc agents, docs, traders, high NR professions?

what's the story with NBS and NBG?

will our Nemesis nano be effected?

I already have enough problems with my progress bars disappearing, and my entire casting being "locked up" when i try to spam anything, I forsee major issues if this plays out.

I have questions!

[DecemberSky]

some questions:

so, we're locked out of switching targets for 10 seconds? or does this A nuke lockout only apply to target it's running on?

in pvm, what about targets that are dead in much less than 10 seconds, which is super common. we have to sit around doing nothing for the next mob until the cooldown wears off?

can we start the chain with B?

Also, what if B nuke is countered,are we stuff with 5 second recharge? does it reset the chain? what if A nuke is countered, are we still locked into 10 second recharge?

Who's going to buy me a keyboard when i wear out my keys between constant nuking and trying to perk at the same time? oO! Will i grow a third hand to help me kill a doc once a year?

I love to hear more about new options for debuffs, how will we manage fp enfo agents, fp doc agents, docs, traders, high NR professions?

what's the story with NBS and NBG?

will our Nemesis nano be effected?

I already have enough problems with my progress bars disappearing, and my entire casting being "locked up" when i try to spam anything, I forsee major issues if this plays out.

I have questions!

If you cast a nano currently. and it has a 10 second cool down, you cant attack ANYTHING for 10 seconds. This will change with the new nukes.

Yes, if youre at an APF raid with these new nanos. You can "A" Nuke one, and then switch to another. But it will be better to do the A+B+C alpha on one and then wait 1.25 seconds and start smacking another with the weak nukes, I think. I dunno, but yes its possible to switch to different mobs.

You're keyboard shouldnt gain too much extra wear and tear from the new system =p.

I haven't heard of any new info on NBG/NBS at this moment. Will update you asap.

Yes Nemesis nanos will more than likely be looked at.

Progress bars will probably not be used. It will most likely be a hostile program in your NCU.

Most of this stuff is just up in the air at the moment. So nothing is in stone. If you give good suggestions, ill tell the proper sources.