Will bureaucrats ever get a pistol pvp weapon?

[Klodovik]

I mean, it would depend on the effect of the weapon.

If it did a damage proc, and the damage was similar to an AS, it would have to proc about as often as an 11 second AS recharge. If the damage was less than AS, it would have to proc more often than 11 seconds, if it was greater than AS, it would have to proc less often than 11 seconds.

If it gave us access to a special nuke or debuff, then there would be no proc involved at all.

If it was an evade debuff, it would have to be 100% for it to be worth it, and it would have to be a big evade debuff like the remod.

You get the idea...

And now you blew it.

[Hacre]

So, a PvM crat can reach 600k DPM. What is the part of the weapons here ? And what can a PvP crat do in the same conditions ? And what are those conditions ?

Honestly, when i read this kind of number, i am not sure crats need a weapon powerful both in PvP and PvM. I would think their PvP weapon good enough in PvM to be wanted in team, even if we consider 50% of the 600k DPM come from the weapons.

600k DPM crats get wtfowned in PvP. Weapons used by DD crats are most often a ql275-300 Ofab Pistol Mk6 with capped recharge (so custom burst implants and a set of CC barring chest) and the Dreadloch pistol. Laughable weapons in PvP unless stun proc'ing greens/low evade profs is your thing. It isn't mine. As for a PvP AS setup crat in PvM? Well, the least nerfed AS crats as far as PvM damage goes, use Carbines. Remember how many soldiers use those in PvM? Yeah. Since switching from PvM DD setup on Charmming to a bow PvP setup, I've slipped from 1-2 on the DD rankings to bottom half of the table or mid table depending on present professions. Or to put it simply, I've gone from rivaling pistol soldiers, to rivaling, erm, MPs/Traders.

<wah wah wah I'm bad at soldier>

Tim, you're an idiot. Stop posting. You prove constantly, with your pathetic forum comments as well as your performance in PvP that not only do you not have the faintest idea about how PvP works beyond , m 1 but also that you're more than happy to whine about everyone else and cry nerf instead of just admitting that you are a terrible, terrible soldier. T E R R I B L E.

Now on topic. A PvP able pistol for crats could be a copy paste of the Peregrine Mk6, with an improvement to the damage range and a lower defense check, say 70-75% dodge or 80% duck or something. Properly set up pistol crats can approach 2.5k AR if they want to keep evades, or around 2.8k AR if they decide to go AR setup. This is of course, nerfing nanoskills so reducing the effectiveness of the oh so whine worthy debuffs/CC tools crats use.

That way crats could choose between 11s semi reliable AS, or ok performing burst/fling with the higher damage output of dual wielded 1/1 pistols. Of course this would also need to come with the ability to buff Carlo, in the absence of no capping specials unless you're a low HP/low evade gemp. Hell make some Carlo buffs only castable if wearing these shiny new pistols for all I care.

As for pistol crats outperforming AS crats...please. If that really is true then you haven't faced any decent AS crats. A pistol crat is yet to bring about my death on either my NT or my Crat, unless it involved a stun proc and more than one opponent.

[IHaveHugeNick]

I'm sorry, but crats have better weapon support than alot of other professions.

Lol, moron.

[ragerayden]

Don't insult Sultry QQ !
How could he know he doesn't play AO!
Don't worry sultry I'll always support you even if you follow the path of an idiot!
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[Kahina]

What about...

Nanocrystal (Aimed Nuke)

requires 2 pistols equipped/ pvp only

AR = 100% MC
def = 0% NR

cast time = 3s
recharge = 1s

on cast puts a 11s lock nano

damage : if random roll > 80 = 5k-5k
if random roll > 60 = 4k-4k
if random roll > 40 = 3k-3k
if random roll > 20 = 2k-2k
if random roll > 0 = 1k-1k

Voila. You have AS + pistol.

[Rktim]

600k DPM crats get wtfowned in PvP. Weapons used by DD crats are most often a ql275-300 Ofab Pistol Mk6 with capped recharge (so custom burst implants and a set of CC barring chest) and the Dreadloch pistol. Laughable weapons in PvP unless stun proc'ing greens/low evade profs is your thing. It isn't mine. As for a PvP AS setup crat in PvM? Well, the least nerfed AS crats as far as PvM damage goes, use Carbines. Remember how many soldiers use those in PvM? Yeah. Since switching from PvM DD setup on Charmming to a bow PvP setup, I've slipped from 1-2 on the DD rankings to bottom half of the table or mid table depending on present professions. Or to put it simply, I've gone from rivaling pistol soldiers, to rivaling, erm, MPs/Traders.



Tim, you're an idiot. Stop posting. You prove constantly, with your pathetic forum comments as well as your performance in PvP that not only do you not have the faintest idea about how PvP works beyond , m 1 but also that you're more than happy to whine about everyone else and cry nerf instead of just admitting that you are a terrible, terrible soldier. T E R R I B L E.

Now on topic. A PvP able pistol for crats could be a copy paste of the Peregrine Mk6, with an improvement to the damage range and a lower defense check, say 70-75% dodge or 80% duck or something. Properly set up pistol crats can approach 2.5k AR if they want to keep evades, or around 2.8k AR if they decide to go AR setup. This is of course, nerfing nanoskills so reducing the effectiveness of the oh so whine worthy debuffs/CC tools crats use.

That way crats could choose between 11s semi reliable AS, or ok performing burst/fling with the higher damage output of dual wielded 1/1 pistols. Of course this would also need to come with the ability to buff Carlo, in the absence of no capping specials unless you're a low HP/low evade gemp. Hell make some Carlo buffs only castable if wearing these shiny new pistols for all I care.

As for pistol crats outperforming AS crats...please. If that really is true then you haven't faced any decent AS crats. A pistol crat is yet to bring about my death on either my NT or my Crat, unless it involved a stun proc and more than one opponent.

Awwwwwww you hurt my feelings because what you say means so much to me! =/

Wait... no i don't give a ****.... nm :P

Your suggestion is atleast balanced compared to a AS pistol, im not sure about the low defense check but it could be something like 50/50 duck/dodge or even 45/50, should give a lower over all def check but still not low low... after all vs say 3.5k dodge 75% means that you strip 875 points of evades and that sounds as pretty harsh even if it would put someone at about 50/50 hit ratio for crats, even so those 875 points are probably afew hundred mil creds that mean nothing all of a sudden...

Btw why is it that like everyone on the forums got a crat/nt all of a sudden?

[Hacre]

Awwwwwww you hurt my feelings because what you say means so much to me! =/

Wait... no i don't give a ****.... nm :P

Then why respond to that at the outset of your post?

Your suggestion is atleast balanced compared to a AS pistol, im not sure about the low defense check but it could be something like 50/50 duck/dodge or even 45/50, should give a lower over all def check but still not low low... after all vs say 3.5k dodge 75% means that you strip 875 points of evades and that sounds as pretty harsh even if it would put someone at about 50/50 hit ratio for crats, even so those 875 points are probably afew hundred mil creds that mean nothing all of a sudden...

Don't look at a lower check as reducing evades, look at it as increasing the attackers otherwise poor AR. If you want Crats away from AS, then they either need a massive AR boost with a 100% check weapon, or instead, have a lower checking weapon. It's that simple. Not everyone gets to run around with burst/full auto and 3400+ AR, kay? "Dropping" 875 from someone's evades, would put a pistol TWINKED Crat (I'm not talking full ofab here like some soldiers) on around a 50/50 chance to hit/miss with regular hits/burst/fling. Sort of where a Soldier would be at, only without all the dodge debuffs and nice damage perks.

Not to mention Crats suffer with the crappy post 1k AR damage template so it's not as if lower checking pistols are suddenly going to alpha you with regular shots and burst. It would however be an alternative to AS.

Btw why is it that like everyone on the forums got a crat/nt all of a sudden?

It's your imagination. PvP soldiers still outnumber NTs and Crats combined.

[Graftmage]

It's your imagination. PvP soldiers still outnumber NTs and Crats combined.

NTs + traders + crats + engs ;P

[Rktim]

NTs + traders + crats + engs ;P

Not on the forums :P

[Bloodhoundje]

What about...

Nanocrystal (Aimed Nuke)

requires 2 pistols equipped/ pvp only

AR = 100% MC
def = 0% NR

cast time = 3s
recharge = 1s

on cast puts a 11s lock nano

damage : if random roll > 80 = 5k-5k
if random roll > 60 = 4k-4k
if random roll > 40 = 3k-3k
if random roll > 20 = 2k-2k
if random roll > 0 = 1k-1k

Voila. You have AS + pistol.

"You countered the Nanoprogram......" (also known as fumble)

[Klodovik]

"You countered the Nanoprogram......" (also known as fumble)

There are no more fumbles and not even counters that were briefly introduced to replace this "feature".

[Bloodhoundje]

There are no more fumbles and not even counters that were briefly introduced to replace this "feature".

you ruined the only fun I had left today ;_;

[Klodovik]

you ruined the only fun I had left today ;_;

:'(

[Kahina]

There is a lovely nano tag known as 'Cannotfumble'.

Voila.

(Bis repetitat placent)

[SSK]

What about...

Nanocrystal (Aimed Nuke)

requires 2 pistols equipped/ pvp only

AR = 100% MC
def = 0% NR

cast time = 3s
recharge = 1s

on cast puts a 11s lock nano

damage : if random roll > 80 = 5k-5k
if random roll > 60 = 4k-4k
if random roll > 40 = 3k-3k
if random roll > 20 = 2k-2k
if random roll > 0 = 1k-1k

Voila. You have AS + pistol.

Could work as high chance proc, not castable nano

[Racatti]

New Weapons, My Perks, My Weapon choice isn't as good etc:
This booster will not fix all weapon choices for all professions. Hopefully our regular updates in the near future will be able to address some of these issues. We are willing to listen to these issues. Some of these issues will hopefully be lessened by the new improved symbiants addressing skills that were missing from the old sets. Yes...1HB will get looked into...as will "Craphander". But not before the release of the booster.

Looks like they will.

Along with both my 220s getting burst in their RA symb, I see fun times ahead!

[Klodovik]

Looks like they will.

Hopefully, it will be a pistol, not shoty and with no profession lock. So I can turn my MP back to pistols (need moar proc powa!!1!).

[Racatti]

No thanks, it shud be shotgun so it doesn't favors any prof needing it.

[Klodovik]

No thanks, it shud be shotgun so it doesn't favors any prof needing it.

How exactly it doesn't favour, i.e. advie, who has the the biggest amount of unused IP of them all?

[Sterva]

Not on the forums :P

Because most soldiers don't have anything to complain about.