No more tumbleweeds!

[Shareida]

What do traders need and want to survive the next few months/years?

Why do people want to see us nerfed (how is that even possible)?

I'll hold my breath until next week FwM.

Saetos, tell us.


Edit:

- I looked up some ideas.


15 seconds to drain up?

[Strupstad]

God, new threads are bad, mkay! Would love to see the trader forum with no posts for 30 days, if only for a brief period of time :P

[Wrangeline]

There should be more activity next week after Means posts the Trader nano documents

[Saetos]

What do traders need and want to survive the next few months/years?

Why do people want to see us nerfed (how is that even possible)?

I'll hold my breath until next week FwM.

Saetos, tell us.

I'd love to see us have a defined role, instead of FunCom trying to throw damage tools, drain tools and buff tools willy-nilly.

People wanna see us nerfed because we're superduperfreakinawesome at level 1-30 - and there are several ways to fix this, but until I get some sort of hint as to what they're gonna do I can't exactly determine if FC shares our ideas as well.

There should be more activity next week after Means posts the Trader nano documents

Indeed.

[Strupstad]

There should be more activity next week after Means posts the Trader nano documents

What scares me is that someone who doesn't play the game is in charge of pvp balance... And the fact that our professionals don't know what's in store for us >.<

[Shareida]

What scares me is that someone who doesn't play the game is in charge of pvp balance... And the fact that our professionals don't know what's in store for us >.<

Moar AC debuffs i guess.

[Nanotehnpoir]

Moar AC debuffs i guess.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner

[Kintaii]

What scares me is that someone who doesn't play the game is in charge of pvp balance... And the fact that our professionals don't know what's in store for us >.<

Not only are you a horrible (and by "horrible" I mean "really weak and ineffectual") troll, you also have no idea what you're talking about. Genele is more hardcore than you, your guildmates, and anyone else you've ever played with (unless you've unwittingly played with genele, in which case the most hardcore mofo you've met in game? that was her)

I know you like opening your virtual mouth and spewing things that make very little sense and generally have no basis in reality, and while I'm normally willing to let your horrendous posts slide by with nothing more than an eyeroll, this time you sincerely have no clue what you're referring to and deserve to be called out on it. Genele's spent more time and hours playing and studying this game than you can probably even begin to imagine - Saying she has "no clue about PvP balance" just shows your general ignorance and complete lack of decorum.

As far as "the professionals don't know what's in store for us", the document hasn't been released to them yet. They get it the same way that everyone else gets it. Once its out to them, they'll have a chance to look it over and then, after going over feedback, we'll post it publicly. There's nothing different for Traders than there has been for any other profession.

[dritst]

Not only are you a horrible (and by "horrible" I mean "really weak and ineffectual") troll, you also have no idea what you're talking about. Genele is more hardcore than you, your guildmates, and anyone else you've ever played with (unless you've unwittingly played with genele, in which case the most hardcore mofo you've met in game? that was her)

I know you like opening your virtual mouth and spewing things that make very little sense and generally have no basis in reality, and while I'm normally willing to let your horrendous posts slide by with nothing more than an eyeroll, this time you sincerely have no clue what you're referring to and deserve to be called out on it. Genele's spent more time and hours playing and studying this game than you can probably even begin to imagine - Saying she has "no clue about PvP balance" just shows your general ignorance and complete lack of decorum.
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Outch oO
Strupstad
Pwn by kintaii apprentice... change it !

[Gatester]

The benefits of drains alongside the debuff on drains and the duration makes them too strong. If you only need 1 cast of 1 nano to win most encounters, it is OP. Trader drains are like AI armor, no tool that does so much is ever fair. There are lots of suggestions so we should wait and see what happens first and then try more again, but drains are not a proper tool in any sense.

Traders need boosts in pvm, like mezzes that work before 207 or 209, not gonna bother checking my trader to make sure. Maybe a better way of healing, % based could be interesting.

[dritst]

The benefits of drains alongside the debuff on drains and the duration makes them too strong. If you only need 1 cast of 1 nano to win most encounters, it is OP. Trader drains are like AI armor, no tool that does so much is ever fair. There are lots of suggestions so we should wait and see what happens first and then try more again, but drains are not a proper tool in any sense.

Trader= disable your opponent, as it have been said before bring your friend or kill it first. And for tl7 Lol at the "If you only need 1 cast of 1 nano to win most encounters".
(talking about 215+ pvp here)

[Hellrule]

Genele is the greatest

wtb duel with said pvper

[quieter456]

Genele's spent more time and hours playing and studying this game than you can probably even begin to imagine - Saying she has "no clue about PvP balance" just shows your general ignorance and complete lack of decorum.

Please circle the following setups genele has approved for pvp uses

Fixer with dual SMGs.
Engineer with grenade.
MA without swap weapons
Enforcer with ultra behe
Adv with coon, acrobat, heals, 80% root resist, and AS pistol

Hint: only one should be circled

[Kinkstaah]

E-RAAAGE!

People wouldn't say things like this about Genele if they had faith in what has currently been released. Some of the nano documents havent exactly inspired faith that Genele is infact a hardcore PVPer.

Besides, the best PVPers at least on RK1, the really, really, really good ones who really do know a lot about all the classes in the game, are male.

I'm not saying Genele is missing the mark really with nano documents, they seem fine for what they are, but the best comments about them acknowledge that unless all weapons, all items, and all mechanics are changed, MASSIVELY... the nano docs make very little sense at all on their own.

I mean sure, if we are going to be swinging 1000-2000(1000) weapons for regular hit damage, on full agro then that's all well and good, but in this case to make the balance docs work out right in a balanced game... the balancing of items that arent nanos are going to have a far bigger impact then these documents, and its the core mechanics changes that need to be altered to make some nano docs sensible.. that will show how good or bad, or how in/out of touch the dev team really is.

[Kinkstaah]

Also (on a tangent here, wheee) I'm curious to see whether AO suffers the same fate as Jayde's AOC balancing, where everything was mathematically balanced to a pinpoint, where every classes DPS, Healing per second, damage resistance, etc was all balanced in excel perfectly.

However the game was a dog to play initially, and balance didn't feel anything remotely normal, fun etc. It felt very balanced in excel, but it DIDNT feel balanced by anyone who was playing a game - With a game such as AO it's really going to show I reckon.

My 2c (quote this in a couple years if you want)

1) The balance patch will be released
2) Balance will be considerably worse off than the game is now
3) FC show a ton of attention to rebalancing the new aspects of what actually goes live, which classes get a huge boost get nerfed, and some unloved classes get some quick fire love to maintain a respectable balance.

Here's the thing though.

Why not just start at 3? There would be a lot less work done, and I still reckon that after 3) we'll actually be slightly less balanced in the real world than we are now (which ISNT REALLY that badly off)

Time will tell

[Manicmouse]

This thread has potential, subscribing!!

Traders need boosts in pvm, like mezzes that work before 207 or 209, not gonna bother checking my trader to make sure. Maybe a better way of healing, % based could be interesting.

I think a level req 190 SL calm would fill the gap nicely, just dinged 209 myself - and what a long wait it was...

Maybe a slightly better single heal too at around 190?

[Armus]

A
3) FC show a ton of attention to rebalancing the new aspects of what actually goes live, which classes get a huge boost get nerfed, and some unloved classes get some quick fire love to maintain a respectable balance.

Here's the thing though.

Why not just start at 3? There would be a lot less work done, and I still reckon that after 3) we'll actually be slightly less balanced in the real world than we are now (which ISNT REALLY that badly off)

Time will tell

*SUPERGIGA99999MEGATON BUMP*

What I've been saying all along. It's just impossible for anyone to predict how things wil play out if you change the whole game at the same time.

Balancing should be done over time through fine tuning, not by putting all the classes in a room and throwing in a hand grenade and how it turns out for the best.

[Manicmouse]

Rebalance the game removing one AS pistol at a time ^^

[dritst]

Well sadly to my opinion AS was the only thing balanced in this game :X

[Shareida]

Trader= disable your opponent, as it have been said before bring your friend or kill it first. And for tl7 Lol at the "If you only need 1 cast of 1 nano to win most encounters".
(talking about 215+ pvp here)

AO looks good on auno, doesn't it?


Amazing, how all the trolls pop outta nowhere soon as FC staff posts in here.