FC's Vision for Rebalancing - Traders

[Saetos]

Alright, kiddos (and Amaterasu ), in case you missed it, though I don't know why you would, today's Friday with Means reveals new changes to BR and GTH... and they're actually pretty spiffy!

Here we go:

Borrow Reflect
1) Universal use, target is correct if the target has more than 24% reflects.
2) Debuffs 30% for 15 seconds.
3) Buffs 30% for 60 seconds.

Grand Theft Humidity
1) 15% of the target's nanopool will be stripped every second for 15 seconds, irregardless of opponent's profession.
2) 10% of our nanopool will be restored every second for 15 seconds.
3) There is a new cooldown period of 1 minute.
4) As before, GTH will terminate on opponent if the Trader dies.


There's still some room for comment, and a couple people including myself are hoping for a cooldown on Borrow Reflect, but as of now this is way more progress than I ever hoped for. Opinions! Comments! Do it nao!

[Hacre]

Meh, Lust's GTH idea was a lot better. I guess we need to see it in action though.

[Strupstad]

Meh, Lust's GTH idea was a lot better. I guess we need to see it in action though.

*signed*

Our professionals have to push lusthornes idea alot more.

[Saetos]

Meh, Lust's GTH idea was a lot better. I guess we need to see it in action though.

Lusthorne's idea was presented as an option to the Devs, and I will ask them if it was truly considered when they made their finalized idea, and what they thought about it.

[ameratsu]

Lusthorne's idea was presented as an option to the Devs, and I will ask them if it was truly considered when they made their finalized idea, and what they thought about it.

finnaly some daylight!! and situational use for these ridicoulous nanos.

[ameratsu]

well they will still have godmode, they will just be more tolerable now..BR changes were a nice letdown..

[Hacre]

I'm chuckling quietly at myself about everyone who complained about NT reflect piercing nukes....they're going away, GTH is being toned down...NTs would have been an ideal threat to Traders with 60% reflects.

[Saetos]

I'm chuckling quietly at myself about everyone who complained about NT reflect piercing nukes....they're going away, GTH is being toned down...NTs would have been an ideal threat to Traders with 60% reflects.

The combinations open to them for their new nanoweaving concept may have a partial or full reflect pierce included within, for all we know; so there's no guarantee that it's going away.

[Hacre]

The combinations open to them for their new nanoweaving concept may have a partial or full reflect pierce included within, for all we know; so there's no guarantee that it's going away.

Indeed, however I'm only commenting on the current facts, as opposed to speculation of what might be.

[howlin]

The amount of whines these changes are generating is amazing.
Especially from soldiers that only need to press tracer before the wrfpwn the trader.
As for me, i will probably IPR to a tradeskilling toon and PVP on soldier only when changes hit live.

[Strupstad]

I really cba if the trader rips my rffe off, but adding that to themselves is too much really. With shutdown skills, NBD, drains, yeeiyf they are hard enough to kill. Adding a 30% reflect on top of that is plain silly. It should add like 5% reflects or something to the trader.

If you go to the store and expect to get a good deal on an expensive TV, and the dealer says "well, I can give you 5% off", would you buy it? Of course not, because 5% is NOTHING. And if BR would only debuff/buff 5%, nobody would ever use it. Hence, a waste of database space and developer's time.

[ameratsu]

Alright, kiddos (and Amaterasu ), in case you missed it, though I don't know why you would, today's Friday with Means reveals new changes to BR and GTH... and they're actually pretty spiffy!

Here we go:

Borrow Reflect
1) Universal use, target is correct if the target has more than 24% reflects.
2) Debuffs 30% for 15 seconds.
3) Buffs 30% for 60 seconds.

Grand Theft Humidity
1) 15% of the target's nanopool will be stripped every second for 15 seconds, irregardless of opponent's profession.
2) 10% of our nanopool will be restored every second for 15 seconds.
3) There is a new cooldown period of 1 minute.
4) As before, GTH will terminate on opponent if the Trader dies.


There's still some room for comment, and a couple people including myself are hoping for a cooldown on Borrow Reflect, but as of now this is way more progress than I ever hoped for. Opinions! Comments! Do it nao!

still not good enough...makin br universal? thats as ghey as it gets...

[Nanotehnpoir]

still not good enough...makin br universal? thats as ghey as it gets...

First of all - "ghey" isn't appropriate.

Second of all - This statement hasn't added anything to the discussion, like a lot of the statements you've tossed on these threads.

Knock it off.

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Let's get back to discussion and less whining.

I still think GTH's positive buff should last 60 seconds to help keep the trader viable after NBD (otherwise I feel NBD will become like it was when it first was introduced - not very useful), while BR's possibly shouldn't last so long without some lockout.

I also believe BR should have a lockout of as long as the positive buff to twice as long as the positive buff to prevent the Trader from easily keeping high reflects up. I think I'd like to see the duration of the positive buff on BR to go to 30 seconds, with a 60 second lockout. Or if 60 seconds, lockout of 2 minutes. It might be better to keep it this length with a 2 minute lockout so that once we do land it - it will last long enough to make a difference on a specific battle, considering I don't believe we'll be having short battles after all the changes take place.

[Hacre]

Anyone noticed that "new GTH" empties your nanopool faster than the old GTH and keeps it emptier far more aggressively than the old GTH?

All that has changed is the duration.

With Old GTH, unless you were really unlucky to have nanodelta tick followed by a drain tick almost immediately, you had a 2 second window to pop a stim then fire something.

New GTH, the window is smaller, at one second.

[Obtena]

^^ That sounds exactly as it should work TBH. And everyone though it was OPed the old way. LAWL! That's what happens when people cry nerfs on stuff. They have this misconception that it will be made to their liking when the reality is that they give FC license to go the other way.

[Hacre]

^^ That sounds exactly as it should work TBH. And everyone though it was OPed the old way. LAWL! That's what happens when people cry nerfs on stuff. They have this misconception that it will be made to their liking when the reality is that they give FC license to go the other way.

Except they've decided, or so we hear, to make nano management more of an issue.

If you think, logically, that a nano with effects that were overpowered, should be revamped to be even more powerful, well then what's the weather like on your planet?

[Strupstad]

If you think, logically, that a nano with effects that were overpowered, should be revamped to be even more powerful, well then what's the weather like on your planet?

I'm picturing a massive demonstration outside funcom's HQ in Oslo if this hits live in it's current form :P

[ameratsu]

First of all - "ghey" isn't appropriate.

Second of all - This statement hasn't added anything to the discussion, like a lot of the statements you've tossed on these threads.

Knock it off.

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Let's get back to discussion and less whining.

I still think GTH's positive buff should last 60 seconds to help keep the trader viable after NBD (otherwise I feel NBD will become like it was when it first was introduced - not very useful), while BR's possibly shouldn't last so long without some lockout.

I also believe BR should have a lockout of as long as the positive buff to twice as long as the positive buff to prevent the Trader from easily keeping high reflects up. I think I'd like to see the duration of the positive buff on BR to go to 30 seconds, with a 60 second lockout. Or if 60 seconds, lockout of 2 minutes. It might be better to keep it this length with a 2 minute lockout so that once we do land it - it will last long enough to make a difference on a specific battle, considering I don't believe we'll be having short battles after all the changes take place.

the penalty for nbd is "depletion" u cant bypass that; its the same for nts; if traders get a fix to

nanobot depletion nts should also. Nts are said "Masters of Notum"; but it takes a considerable amount of time to refill our nanopool after nbg. And Nbg is not even effective at all if a trader around. Nanopool powers nbg, no nano= no nt defense. Some of the things u guys are askin for are unrealistic. Im all for traders gettin a defense to help mitigate "some" damage

Like i said, nanobot depletion is a side effect and if fc is gonna find a way to psuedo fix it via gth then some aspects of nt nano regen needs to be addressed..

[Obtena]

Like i said, nanobot depletion is a side effect and if fc is gonna find a way to psuedo fix it via gth then some aspects of nt nano regen needs to be addressed..

Great ... so make a post about it ... in the NT forums. I don't want to be critical of the Trader devs because they have to put up with alot of crap but you guys know how to and have authority to moderate these forums. Please do so.

[navycut]

If you go to the store and expect to get a good deal on an expensive TV, and the dealer says "well, I can give you 5% off", would you buy it? Of course not, because 5% is NOTHING. And if BR would only debuff/buff 5%, nobody would ever use it. Hence, a waste of database space and developer's time.

lol if you think -30% reflects on a target is useless you kinda need to l2p. I never said debuff 5%, I said it can debuff the 30% but the trader should get like 5% reflects.