Nerf NTS?

[NotDavidBowi]

Perk NR8, problem solved.

Read again, i never said i hate GTH.

got 15.5k on fixer and it dont help anything vs NTs 2 nukes and still dead. high hp just make fixer easy kill for all who got AS.

If you die to a nt that casts 2 triples in a row on you.. then its just you that suck.

[Xenotric]

Read again, i never said i hate GTH.



If you die to a nt that casts 2 triples in a row on you without doing anything else.. then its just you that suck.

I dont beleive he said 2 triples, just 2 nanos, one of which would no doubt be a triple.

Though theres not a great deal a fixer can do to get away from a nanotech if they've already started casting the nuke.

I personally see no issue with NT's being able to kill fixers, they always have, however before the fixer tended to still stand some chance of winning.

the ability to reduce most of a fixers hp in a single cast while still being heavily defended with your Damage to nano removes the chance for the fixer to defend themselves, and at best gives them a short area to run away.

And yes you can say "well fixers are the ones that choose to be low health" well yes but its a choice between be low hp and get pwnd by nt's or get high hp and get pwnd by everyone with attacks that reliably get through evades. (which really runs at just about everyone)

But as I've said in a previous post, im sure that after the rebalance things wont be as bad as that.

For the time being we just have to put up with running at the first signs of nt's

[Perskules]

Read again, i never said i hate GTH.



If you die to a nt that casts 2 triples in a row on you.. then its just you that suck.

i dont know what steroids those clam NTs have used but they hitting me first 2k cb, and 2x 9k tripla.
but other hand nukes are only way kill fixer fast but should not kill that fast

[Klodovik]

Indeed, NTs get 55 more dodge and evade from research... as for symbs, no one's stopping a doc from using implants, like I use implants on NT for heal delta, so that's irrelevant. So an NT has a whooping 95 points of advantage in dodge. O mighty Klod you are right as usual ^^

Only support symbs for NTs, pretty please FC. It's only 95 points of advantage in dodge anyways, if they use extermination.

Seriously. Make it happen.

[tweeeek]

Following your advice, I attacked a fixer for my free 9.7k damage in 1/10*4s.

I was expecting it to take 10% of 4 seconds, which is actually about 4 tenths of a second, but it actually took 7.5 seconds to execute my hotswap and get back to assault rifle, but the results were a bit different than you promised.......

i tried to triple a fixer but it was countered suddenly my over nien thousand damage in 7.5 seconds became 0 damage

[navycut]

i tried to triple a fixer but it was countered suddenly my over nien thousand damage in 7.5 seconds became 0 damage

Aww you act like you don't have a 1 sec recharge nano that debuffs 1k nr.

[Mastablasta]

Following your advice, I attacked a fixer for my free 9.7k damage in 1/10*4s.

I was expecting it to take 10% of 4 seconds, which is actually about 4 tenths of a second, but it actually took 7.5 seconds to execute my hotswap and get back to assault rifle, but the results were a bit different than you promised.

You hit randomfixer for 2900 points of Aimed Shot Damage.
You tried to attack randomfixer with Burst but missed!
You tried to attack randomfixer with Full Auto but missed!
Target dodged your Tracer!
Target dodged your Triangulate Target!
Target dodged your Laser Paint Target!
Target dodged your Fuzz!
Target resisted your Nano Feast!
You hit randomfixer with nanobots for 217 points of melee damage.
You were healed for 278.
You successfully perform Draw Blood.

Do you think evades have any impact on PvP? Do you think people can hotswap and get back to their default weapon instantly? In 4 tenths of a second? It's a bit like 1s capped cast time except ALOT longer and you still have to stand still or stop attacking.

Stop with the exaggerations and start being realistic. Soldier's aren't teh nerfest prof but neither are NTs.

As for NTs vs fixers, it's a fixer's choice to hug low HP. Flaviosan does just fine with 15k HP, there's no reason other fixers can't do the same.

On anyone else. Fixer is not someone for soldiers to attack. NT is Fixer nemesis. End.

[tweeeek]

Aww you act like you don't have a 1 sec recharge nano that debuffs 1k nr.

you act like you dont have the option of getting over 20k nr

[Soliartist]

you act like you dont have the option of getting over 20k nr

It's got nothing to see, you've got to throw all of your buffs to oblivion for that (yeah of course you can always ask for someone to buff ya with primary nanos), whilst CB is really easy to land.
Something else, normal attacks, both melee and ranged can be blocked with an Eng in Team. Nukes cannot. We could spend days arguing about that and it will still not make nukes less powerful (read quite overpowered) in anybody's eyes.

But then again I don't care much tbh.

[Xenotric]

you act like you dont have the option of getting over 20k nr

Do you sacrifice your entire defensive toolset and a large portion of your offensive tool set for CB?

[Hulk]

What is the problem?

NT is not the only profession with alpha capability.

That said, think of it like this,

HP is to NT what dodge is to Soldier.

get it?
No?

OK, if someone goes on bs with gimped dodge rating, They will get killed just as quickly.

now this is what happened...

you went to battlestation with gimp HP and you expect different results...

Yea I'm sure your low HP works wonders for you to kite around and heal up regular attacks quickly.

sorry buddy, there is no magic star in this game.

[Hacre]

Personally I don't play any low hp toons anymore. I have 24k hp on my soldier and 3.7k attack rating. And I still can't kill a good NT before they kill me. The really good ones barely have their hp dented at all before I die.

So can easily imagine how utterly lame it must feel to have put perhaps 5 years of work into a 220/70/30 fixer with every single item in game, having loads of pvp experience. Only to have a 2 month powerleveled NT with half assed gear totally ANNIHILATE my toon inside 6 seconds and there is nothing I can do about it.

As opposed to those tw*ts who will stop at nothing to defend a retardedly overpowered attack that should have never made it into the game in the first place that is.

Do you know how annoying it is for a toon that spent practically no credits on their setup, who for the price of 5-8 perks, plus 10 AI perks, can insta splat my end game setup NT, while completely ignoring -all- of our toolset?

I'm waiting for the "well they're gimpy against other professions" argument here, because guess what, there's plenty of professions with a brain that can smear NTs as well, or just ignore them.

Aww you act like you don't have a 1 sec recharge nano that debuffs 1k nr.

We don't.

Also lol @ the OP having so little HP that he died to CB+Triple. I wasn't aware there were toons with that little HP that CB alone did enough damage to get themselves into Triple range.

This is the price you pay for low HP sploiting to make capped AS damage a trivial issue. I bet Agents, Docs, Advys, Crats, Soldiers, Engies, Keepers, Enforcers, all love you and how easily you shrug off whatever damage they can do to you.

Newsflash. NTs have been Fixer nemesis for a long time. Difference pre LE was NTs had a laughable toolset to pull this off due to low HP + HoTs outhealing the capped hit from IU and the GA nukes being worthless. Now they're actually your functioning nemesis. If you have a problem, it's with asking FC to make higher HP builds viable for you, not whining about NTs.

As for Soldiers, for whatever reason, FC deemed your power enough for you to have a couple more professions to keep you in check. I've said time and time and time again, it's easy for a Soldier to give an NT a 50/50 fight, yet in my experience, all but 2 refuse to make use of the tools to accomplish this, instead, they come and complain on the forums. Again, not our fault, it's yours. I'm not talking about perking NR either.

Did I also see an Advy complaining about NTs? REALLY? That's a fight I'll take on quite happily.

[Racatti]

Fixers never could outheal IU, stop spreading lies.

[Hacre]

Fixers never could outheal IU, stop spreading lies.

Pre LE, at least on RK1, there were plenty of Fixers running around in 5k HP setups that could easily out heal IU via stims, sit kits and HoTs.

Stop spreading your own lies.

[Armus]

Do you know how annoying it is for a toon that spent practically no credits on their setup, who for the price of 5-8 perks, plus 10 AI perks, can insta splat my end game setup NT, while completely ignoring -all- of our toolset?

I'm waiting for the "well they're gimpy against other professions" argument here, because guess what, there's plenty of professions with a brain that can smear NTs as well, or just ignore them.

NT's have excellent defenses now. So who could do that with no effort, atrox shade? Must be awful for ya given how many there are of those.

GTH is awful for nt's ofcourse. But nt's can just do what nt's suggest to everyone else: get more hp, train nr8!

On a serious note, GTH should go or at least get nerfed. Along with LE nukes, RI and BR.

[navycut]

blah blah

Because we all agree that MR is fine yeah?

And omgz you don't have a 1 sec recharging nano, well fine 1.82 to be specific oh wowwow big difference.

And you act like fixers are immune to everyone except NTs because of their HP 'sploit', talk about cluelessness. I think the only profs fixers might be immune to are maybe keepers and probably nontrox shades.

[Racatti]

Pre LE, at least on RK1, there were plenty of Fixers running around in 5k HP setups that could easily out heal IU via stims, sit kits and HoTs.

Stop spreading your own lies.

Sitkits?

Lol at duels.

[Anarrina]

Both of you, knock it off.

[Darkirbiska1]

But nt's can just do what nt's suggest to everyone else: get more hp, train nr8!

I remember small NW in BF, it started as tl5 NW and it ended as tl7 NW and I remember Humle He was nr8.
Try duel: NT vs nr8 ranged(AS) advy. It was fair fight

I wish I could train xx8 and get over 25K dodge,evades,ducks( AS and SA would miss me too!)+I could use only IU!
My dream

[Voyvovoy]

OH WOW! 9.7k in less than 4 seconds :O that's like 10 times as long as it takes a soldier to do the same kind of damage!

And 1 attack that takes 7.5 seconds to execute!

When will you stop the Forum PVP and try to play yourself?