As a result of losing 320 dodge Range

[McKnuckleSamwich]

Some profs will be MORE suceptible to dodge ranged attacks now that wit of atrox is changing.

I would like to point out that keepers (again, sorry), at every level +55, are being nerfed out of a very substantial defence against ranged users.

I'd like to point out that there are far far more ranged skill buffing items in game, and, many people who choose to play an evades class choose atrox because of this fairly easy to acquire perk.

I did, I chose atrox for a TL5 keeper, which is an evades prof to take advantage of this perk which was offered.

A few points to note:

At Tl5, I face soldiers with AR of aroud 2k.
I have 1242 maxed dodge range+ 585 AAD, 14+30 available from procs, for a total of: 1871 DR.
This is with my standard evade/pvp setup.

Wit was used to push my DR over the 2K mark to POSSIBLY escape a FA or burst.


I can't swap setups due to the requirements of items equipped, and therefore have no ability to bolster defences against dodge range other than with what small changes are available in open slots: for example: Notucomm Trenchcoat (80 DR) vs Notucom modified TC (64 DR)

I depended heavily on wit of atrox to get me through a soldier's alpha. With the removal of wit of atrox the disparity of available defences vs obviously superiour firepower is, to say the least, disheartening.

Provided these genome perks go through, I'll be perkable 100% of the time to soldiers, which, means, as an evade prof my main defence is completely disabled.

Please consider this when making adjustments in the future.

[mr_road]

so you want to tone down Acrobat but leave Wit as it was ??

[sultryvoltron]

so you want to tone down Acrobat but leave Wit as it was ??

Yep. MrKnuckle has an Atrox Keeper who benefits from Wit, but not enough AR to perk people who benefit from Limber/Dof.

[McKnuckleSamwich]

so you want to tone down Acrobat but leave Wit as it was ??

Thats another conversation. But, prior to having a reasonable counterattack, yea, DOF is OP'd at 140-207.

Yep. MrKnuckle has an Atrox Keeper who benefits from Wit, but not enough AR to perk people who benefit from Limber/Dof.

I use wit as part of my primary defences. With the loss of it, I'll lose a big part of my already weak defences vs ranged profs.

[sultryvoltron]

Thats another conversation. But, prior to having a reasonable counterattack, yea, DOF is OP'd at 140-207.




I use wit as part of my primary defences. With the loss of it, I'll lose a big part of my already weak defences vs ranged profs.

My MA uses DoF as part of his primary defenses. With the loss of it, I'll lose a big part of my already weak defenses vs every prof.

Come on man. You can't possibly ask for a nerf of a 400 evade perk and in the same breath say that you need a 320 dodge perk.

[Questra]

I think gaining 1k AR for a few seconds more than makes up for this.

I use Wit on my tl2 twink and it's just really over the top. At tl7 it's less so, but still, why an Atrox should get any bonus to evades, when opi's don't, is beyond me. Atrox have always had the best genome perks and they're still on top with the improved MR.

Now isn't the time to whine about Wit.

[McKnuckleSamwich]

This thread isn't about acrobat, it's not about MR. Its about wit playing a significant part of a setup, and how to fill that void.

[Phargus]

Trox being the superior evade breed never made a lick of sense. This change will suck for twinks who made a setup around wit, but it's the lesser of two evils.

[McKnuckleSamwich]

Trox being the superior evade breed never made a lick of sense. This change will suck for twinks who made a setup around wit, but it's the lesser of two evils.

I agree with this.

I just don't understand how a class that is supposed to be an evade class is to function as an evade class when the only decent perk for neutralizing our vastly insufficient dodge range skill is removed.

[Litleangel]

McKnuckleSamwich Quote:
Originally Posted by Phargus
Trox being the superior evade breed never made a lick of sense. This change will suck for twinks who made a setup around wit, but it's the lesser of two evils.

I agree with this.

I just don't understand how a class that is supposed to be an evade class is to function as an evade class when the only decent perk for neutralizing our vastly insufficient dodge range skill is removed.

Ar you stupid no offens? Go and do a lvl 1 character and read Atrox description they ar TANKS not EVADE toons atrox shold have never had acces to wits, opis yes but not atrox.

Im verry glad with the changes finaly the breeds ar starting to have perks that corespond to there description. Just wish they made mr a 1k aao and gaved opi a -1k aao perk that you can actualy land so both profesions can counter one another.

[erozc]

But but... You gain +100 ACs and 50 health for 3 ai perks in secondary genome now. You know that +100 AC is 10 damage less taken per hit, and calculated for every bullet in a full auto. So for 15 bullets, 150 damage less! Rejoice!

Wit was silly OP particularly considering the level it was available in. The nerf bat swung big time there, but it was necessary.

[Calamite]

I was planning to make a tl5 trox evade doc tbh, it's 125 now. Now I think I'll reroll it to trox full HP setup tl5 NT *moves along*

[Gatester]

Trox is not an evade breed.

Glad to see opi getting some aad love.

[Lupusceleri]

Trox is not an evade breed.

Glad to see opi getting some aad love.

Bump for this.. Atrox getting an Evade-perk while Opifex got no evade-perk was just plain wrong. Glad to see FC cchanged that.

[Odov]

Keeper is an evade prof? I thought that was just a result of a broken game. I guess enfs NTs and traders are evade profs too..

[Hacre]

Keeper is an evade prof? I thought that was just a result of a broken game. I guess enfs NTs and traders are evade profs too..

They're an evade profession. Against melee, that is. Keepers are inherently designed to be weak to ranged.

[Odov]

DOF is OP'd at 140-207

If DOF was as OP as you seem to think it is, I'd assume we'd be seeing a lot more MAs Fixers and Advs at TL5 PvP and a lot less NTs Traders Enfs and Solds.. Crats/Keepers/Engineers could use some TL5 love, but I don't think nerfing DoF/Limber is going to make any significant change in balance. Maybe you'd start perking fixers but still wouldn't perk NTs.. How much sense does that make?

[Odov]

They're an evade profession. Against melee, that is. Keepers are inherently designed to be weak to ranged.

I'd say there are a "moderate" evade profession, if geared for it, but that's hardly their specialty. Lots of professions can get a decent defensive rating, but personally, and possibly ignorantly, I only classify a few professions as "evade professions" or else it could really be everyone except docs/solds.

[Hacre]

I'd say there are a "moderate" evade profession, if geared for it, but that's hardly their specialty. Lots of professions can get a decent defensive rating, but personally, and possibly ignorantly, I only classify a few professions as "evade professions" or else it could really be everyone except docs/solds.

Erm, no, they're a specialised against melee evade class.

Evades from perks? Check.
Evades from buffs? Check.
AAD from perks? Check.
AAD from buffs? Check.
Evades from procs? Check.
Evades from perk actions? Check.

The original idea behind Keepers wasn't bad, very strong and unperkable against melee but susceptible to ranged. Somewhere that got somewhat lost and Keepers stopped being the anti melee class, though that was largely due to no longer being able to perk melee toons they could potentially alpha and having too little damage output to kill people they could perk (MR not withstanding, it's not a Keeper perk).

[Odov]

Erm, no, they're a specialised against melee evade class.

Evades from perks? Check.
Evades from buffs? Check.
AAD from perks? Check.
AAD from buffs? Check.
Evades from procs? Check.
Evades from perk actions? Check.

The original idea behind Keepers wasn't bad, very strong and unperkable against melee but susceptible to ranged. Somewhere that got somewhat lost and Keepers stopped being the anti melee class, though that was largely due to no longer being able to perk melee toons they could potentially alpha and having too little damage output to kill people they could perk (MR not withstanding, it's not a Keeper perk).

If you defined "evade profession" by how the evades are available to you and not by how much evades you actually get in a final setup, then yeah I agree with you. If we put together a list of profs in average end game setups and compared static (buffed) defensive ratings, I still say the line between "evade proff" and "non-evade proff" has been blurred over the last few years.

To contribute to the topic though.. Atrox is not an evade breed, wit didn't fit, that's my stance.