Friday with Means - November 13th, 2009 - Friday teh 13th 110100101!!!

[kabo]

eq no more dodge from wit

[Towerblock]

I noticed many many whiners screaming about Atrox online, but clearly they didnt read any of the other breed perks. I gotta say, I really wish i had a free reroll to nanomage on some of my toons. I never really cared for Wit, so meh, moving along. I had a feeling that mongo fury was gunna mean something when I noticed that it had to be chained with MR to get the MR effect. Once more, I think some people need to actually think their whines through before actually crying on the first shoulder that will listen. You are all diseased.

But, the upside now is.. my fave breed ever Opifex, got some nice love (that makes sense!)

Looks like quite a few people need to rethink their twinks. Oops.

[fireduckjzz]

Heh, i think i was happier when i didn't know about FWM and had no idea what was going on.

Would be nice to see everything that is going to be changed instead of in pieces, would give everyone more of a general idea wtf is going on, and an estimate of when the engine is coming out. Maybe less people would be pissed off.

Oh well, time to wait for next Friday =/

[NeutOmner]

Also, what about Acrobat, the one on pdf is still missing 80 evades from last perk action i think, nerf or just typo?

[ephedrae]

Also it's paradox towards the effort of filling the game again. Troxes had their fun with MR so you don't need to give them even more fun to reactivate or whatsoever because they had least reasons to quit the game. What would i do if i plan to come back after a year or two? read forums. What would i see there? this. Would i make up my mind and rather buy vodka for 14.95€? yes.

[Calamite]

Imagine battlestation after these changes go live: Atroxes running like mad all over it and everyone else running away from them. Fun?

[Raggy]

I noticed many many whiners screaming about Atrox online, but clearly they didnt read any of the other breed perks. I gotta say, I really wish i had a free reroll to nanomage on some of my toons.

I read all the changes. NM got something fixed that has been broken since AI. Finally.

I never really cared for Wit, so meh, moving along. I had a feeling that mongo fury was gunna mean something when I noticed that it had to be chained with MR to get the MR effect.

Oh no? You have to waste 2-3 more seconds actually casting MR? Wow, doesn't change the fact that 1.5k AAO on demand annihilates 7 of the game's professions right off the bat.

Once more, I think some people need to actually think their whines through before actually crying on the first shoulder that will listen. You are all diseased.

Blinded by your own selfishness.

[Alternity]

Imagine battlestation after these changes go live: Atroxes running like mad all over it and everyone else running away from them. Fun?

Ah right what was the button for permanent MR again? You have a point, but don't exaggerate it

[Calamite]

But, the upside now is.. my fave breed ever Opifex, got some nice love (that makes sense!)

The only good change for opifex is the blocker. Opifex offensive perk line is close to being completely useless. -250 AR? Is that what opifexes got to counter MR? Might as well add +2000 runspeed to some of the perk actions, they're gonna need it the most.

[Towerblock]

Oh no? You have to waste 2-3 more seconds actually casting MR? Wow, doesn't change the fact that 1.5k AAO on demand annihilates 7 of the game's professions right off the bat.

Blinded by your own selfishness.

You obviously dunno how to defensive perk with a BIG OMG Visual cue. Tsk tsk. I have no pity for that. As for being "blinded by your own selfishness" Take a freakin look at all the arguments for prof balancing. You're swimming in selfishness, and pissing in the pool. You should be aware, that I laugh harder at haters. Especially harder at breed haters.

[Racsi]

I noticed many many whiners screaming about Atrox online, but clearly they didnt read any of the other breed perks. I gotta say, I really wish i had a free reroll to nanomage on some of my toons. I never really cared for Wit, so meh, moving along. I had a feeling that mongo fury was gunna mean something when I noticed that it had to be chained with MR to get the MR effect. Once more, I think some people need to actually think their whines through before actually crying on the first shoulder that will listen. You are all diseased.

Cryin' is actually easier than using ur head.
NERF MR LETS SHOUT Together, but keep the rest of the breed perks :P

shield nm ai 30 mp anyone ? owaitigotone
melee trox ai30 adv anyone ? owaitigotone

so what i agree that popping MR outa sneak without any notification is OP but
if u get a 60s sign that sais "hey dude if u stand there like a rock u'll die"

i dont think in pvp ur forced to stand when MR is incomming
average ppl will die without MR and melee profs with their 40s sa need sthing vs evaders
i dont agree that removing the drawback was the best idea ever but afterall if the MR fails u have to run or die
im quite suprised theres so little notice on opi blockers or soli +25% crit giving soli mas about 130% crit in pvp in end gear if im rite since they got no halved crits in pvp
or once again the 20% dmg into nanopool for NM (u wanna imagine shield mp with 30% static reflect from shield 10% from secondary perkline 13% from graft and 20% from perk ? +5k nm coon - cause im gonna have 1 )

even tho i got a NM crat and i have to say as an evader without heals 90% of the time i evade MR thx to cib/dtb cause i use my brain while pvp'ing i suggest u use urs before crying and the 10% of the time i fail to evade ---- i die , so what

who wants to live forever ?
/me whispers yeh btw i did put up flame shield as many of u still state ur own opinion but thats fine as long as its an arguement

[IHaveHugeNick]

Good changes to breed perks overall, and yeah that includes Mongo Rage, don't back off from this wave of whining.

Only thing I don't really understand the change to Wit of Atrox though. Do you realise what's this change gonna do to lowbie PvP? This change ruined months of work of every single person with Atrox twink.

[Calamite]

so what i agree that popping MR outa sneak without any notification is OP but
if u get a 60s sign that sais "hey dude if u stand there like a rock u'll die"

Thus what I said, everyone running away from atroxes constantly just because of the danger of MR as soon as they see the effect, which lasts 60 seconds. And even if I see MR incoming, as long as root grafts are ingame it doesn't change a thing (yeah ok crat got DTB, what about the rest?). Not to mention it's a breed perk, so it's not only used by melee.

And fyi shields don't work the way you stated. You get 10% reduction from damage-to-nano and (30+13)*90% from normal reflects, since they are calculated AFTER damage-to-nano reduction. Which results at 48% total. Compared to your normal 43% it's only 5% advantage, not 10%. Also the more reflects you get the more useless the 10% dmg-to-nano gets. Say, AMSed soldier with 80%+ reflect would only gain about 2% extra reflect or less.

[Pomidor]

Also, what about Acrobat, the one on pdf is still missing 80 evades from last perk action i think, nerf or just typo?

Remowink this (its not a typo) and remowing Dodge Rng from Witt is mile step in remowink evades from game. Now, my Fixer will get less evades...

I was LIKE OMG: I rolled yesterday a trox Soldier...

[erozc]

You have either ignored or missed the level requirement on optimize bot protocol (creative mind perkline). MP and Crat perk actions of similar consequence have Player level 15+ (1), while Optimize Bot Protocol has level 210+ (10).

Is this a deliberate omission or should I have bumped the thread on balance discussion more (and gotten infraction points)?

Other than that, breed perks look cool and weird, when will we get generic SL/AI perks with changes?

Finally, it is a bit hard to find all the changes from the previous versions as it's easy to miss out on the most recent changes.

[Triskweline]

Note that a lot of our changes throughout the perk documentation have included removals of such debuffs, in an effort to try and remove 'down time' and harsh side effects from characters - Drawbacks are fine and all, but when dealing with a main part of a character's toolset it really sucks to have to try and keep track of that sort of information; "Since I used this perk, can I cast my nanos after it?" just isn't that entertaining in the long run.

Awesome! But I think you forgot about the NSD effect for NT's Program Overload.

You can just find this text and do your little red color/strikethrough thing to it

On Use User Hit Current nano -9000 .. -10000
User Modify Sensory improvement -3000
Self Modify Matter metamorphosis -3000
User Modify Biological metamorphosis -3000
Self Modify Psychological modifications -3000
User Modify Matter creation -3000
User Modify Time and space -3000

TIA

[Racsi]

Thus what I said, everyone running away from atroxes constantly just because of the danger of MR as soon as they see the effect, which lasts 60 seconds. And even if I see MR incoming, as long as root grafts are ingame it doesn't change a thing (yeah ok crat got DTB, what about the rest?). Not to mention it's a breed perk, so it's not only used by melee.

And fyi shields don't work the way you stated. You get 10% reduction from damag-to-nano and (30+13)*90% from normal reflects, since they are calculated AFTER damage-to-nano reduction. Which results at 48% total. Compared to your normal 43% it's only 5% advantage, not 10%.

10% perma 20% static = 70% from original dmg hits the target k
70% with 43% reflect on = -30% from original dmg meaning 40% from original dmg will hit the target who actually has about 3.7k perma def that not even ai perks gonna perk after next patch doubla aao nerf
while having a 5k nm coon in his inv + a healpet
makes sense now ?
oh side note - mp has blockers
that toon wont ever die with these changes not even to a team of enemies

on MR i understand ur point but if i can tank a good trox enf on my crat til they die u can do it as well dont run but avoid!

[ProkyonFroob]

Normally I'm quite supportive of the changes the devs make, but honestly, the changes to MR are not acceptable. MR makes pvp for a lot professions a joke.. and you guys decide to make it better? I can understand how you guys arrived at the conclusion you did, but it just doesn't work in practical application. 1500 AR for 10 seconds every 2 and a half minutes (if I'm understanding this document correctly) is just plain ridiculous. If it is indeed intended to be an "oh crap" button, then it should have the recharge adjusted to be 15 minutes, like others in this thread suggested. It's rather confusing honestly, since most of the players of AO have voiced very strongly their dislike of MR, yet instead of nerfing it, you make it better. Just puzzling, really.

[styles999]

hmm, interesting

[NotDavidBowi]

I don't even mind MR itself, but the 3min cooldown is retarded. Make it 30mins or something.