few ideas about viralbots and ai armor

[Novaelis]

about viralbots, it has been suggested many times : raise drop rate or add new places to loot. no need to make them common drop but for examples :

- apf generals shoud drop one (random) viralbot > that would not ruin economy as apfs have a raid lock.

- maybe make a quest for one full armor part (like ado quest gives parts for a full T2 glyph) > start a (long ?) quest with a crazy NPC, choose armor type and which part you want, then start the quest with basic armor quests, add a few steps around rubi ka (fedex quests love) and give a tradeskill part as reward for each major step. (and viralbot(s) for the last boss)).

- make upgrades for AI armors : a tradeskill to upgrade armors (kyr'ozch viralbots infusers) to raise QL (ie you have a 225 CC chest, infuse it and it's a 250 CC chest. insuse it again to 275, and 300.
and why not a last step, that makes armor nodrop : infuse the QL300 like APF13 helmets upgrade : a small bonus vs nodrop tag. (some uses upgraded helmets, some don't to keep them yesdrop, extend this choice to whole set).

[Lazy]

i've said this before and i'll say it again. make gens drop Generic Lead Viral Bot which you then combined with a typed base purchased from bazzit for x credits (10m f.ex). this way when you get double 300 spiritual drop after 60 raids of no bots you don't /wrists.

[Senzatzii]

no!

[Novaelis]

i've said this before and i'll say it again. make gens drop Generic Lead Viral Bot which you then combined with a typed base purchased from bazzit for x credits (10m f.ex). this way when you get double 300 spiritual drop after 60 raids of no bots you don't /wrists.

that would work too, except we'll probably get generic bots around 900M each on GMI

[Bambam]

Add an NPC selling them for 500m each and you have a much needed money sink.

[MachSchau]

I'd like to see more rewards for ai raids and the mechanics of which changed.

I dont like how a full ai ground raid takes roughly 30 minutes to complete. I would like to see it reduced to 15 minutes. In order to do that the amount of waves would need to be reduced. The CC recharge time also needs to be reduced. I would say 30 minutes to raise the shield again after it has been lowered and another 15 minutes of "recharging". So instead of waiting 1.5 hours to do another ground raid (after 30 minutes of doing the actual ground raid), you would only have to wait 30 minutes to do another (after the 15 minutes of doing the actual ground raid).

The stuff that drops at ai raids is really sub-par and some of it has no use. I would like to see the junk get rid of or it be included in some sort of process that A. Leads to some sort of new armor or weapons or B. Is part of a long process of building a viral bot (much in the same way as the gauntlet instance). I just think it sucks that someone/any one can do 20-60 ai raids (or do 20-60 of anything) and not get anything you need/want. With the B option you at least gain something from the raid.

[Hardcore]

Or.... we could remove ai armor all itself.. Because that armor has ruined everything.

[MachSchau]

I would love it if AI armor was removed/changed to something else.

[Rigister]

- make upgrades for AI armors : a tradeskill to upgrade armors (kyr'ozch viralbots infusers) to raise QL (ie you have a 225 CC chest, infuse it and it's a 250 CC chest. insuse it again to 275, and 300.
and why not a last step, that makes armor nodrop : infuse the QL300 like APF13 helmets upgrade : a small bonus vs nodrop tag. (some uses upgraded helmets, some don't to keep them yesdrop, extend this choice to whole set).

I fancy this idea, quite a lot... i dont mind making a set nodrop at all, but the problem is, people will probably inflate price on every QL of leadbots, since they will be able to turn into QL 300´s...

Another suggestion in this, make this so called infuser, drop only inside alien ship from city raids, making it appealing again for people.

Also, this should actually make it even more appealing to the person making the set nodrop by adding a few extra bonis, lets say +5 all skills on the set, extra dmg.... so on.

WTB this.

[Cratertina]

got 5 supple bots from last 7 or so cha generals this week. Thank you funcom for fixing droprates.

[Aiken]

got 5 supple bots from last 7 or so cha generals this week. Thank you funcom for fixing droprates.

I highly doubt they've changed anything. But congrats on the random luck being in your favour.

[Lazy]

got 0 bots from the last 100 city raids. f u funcom for breaking droprates.

[Noer]

got 5 supple bots from last 7 or so cha generals this week. Thank you funcom for fixing droprates.

Random is well - random. :P And you got lucky there - congrats.

[Ahndracorvid]

- apf generals shoud drop one (random) viralbot

Maybe.

- maybe make a quest for one full armor part

No thanks.

- make upgrades for AI armors

No thanks.

Or.... we could remove ai armor all itself.. Because that armor has ruined everything.

^ This.

[Thorneee]

Or.... we could remove ai armor all itself.. Because that armor has ruined everything.

I would love it if AI armor was removed/changed to something else.

How about.. **** YES

Ahn, what happened to your face ? :S

[Ahndracorvid]

Ahn, what happened to your face ? :S

I made it purdy. :E

[Ciex]

Just add NPC that does exchange viralbots types for a small fee like 20 mln per one. Having them drop from S7 and APFs would be also nice.

(yup, i do collect spirituals and have like 5 backpacks of those, its FC, you never know )

[Xootch]

Making AI armor no drop is actually a way to consider. On the one hand it makes this item, which is pretty much off the charts price wise (thank you chinafarmers?) anyways even worse economically. But it would decrease availability greatly and what this game needs is more stretch at tl7. People at 220 run around with almost identical setups these days, and getting 220/30/70 is like a walk in the park. The only thing difference about people is full 300 ai yes/no? acdc yes/no?

On the other hand, ai armor is just ridiculously op and should definitely be modified. This and a rework of ofab for some professions is the only way to fix this - i mean over all professions, how many endgame armor slots are not ai armor?

Its a tough call really, but I don't think making AI armor drop like mopas is the solution here. I know there are people who'd very much like to have this game have a get 220/30/70 with full alphas and ai armor instantly button, but well, I don't think thats the way. I do think that people who spent time and effort on their toon should actually have an advantage. However the droprate of supple bots in particular is oblivious for anyone but george here (counting 150 something ais without a supple), is far too can't-really-do-without at the same time. So in conclusion I think lazy's way might be an option. Or a trade-in with a ratio like the tier stuff. But I think the greatest fix would be an update to ofab/tier. Maybe make this two a tradeskill process with some ai/xan content? pen ofab+t3 with like a couple of xan things that aren't too hard to come by. Goal is not to make the new armor superior or equal to ai armor, its to offer more professions alternatives/substitutes in some spots, and even make ai armor the weaker choice in SOME spots. Ideally these choices should be different for each profession. What also badly needs updates is a lot of the shadowlands content, pretty much all dyna drop/pande non-abi loot is tl5/6 content these days. Either give these updates themselves or involve them in the ts process...maybe as the final update (e.g. 300 fixer pen ofab boots + blablah xan/ai stuff + 300 t3 fixer boots = spirit enhanced ofab fixer boots + imaginative boots = Hacker's spirit enhanced fixer boots).

In summary: solution to ai armor is imo not to work on bot drops but on alternatives for ai armor. AI armor is cookie cutterish. Should offer real alternatives to push for specific stats.

edit: Also, i've been told bots do drop off the technician?

[Lazy]

No. No more nodrop ****. Please dear god.

[Tryptophy]

i've said this before and i'll say it again. make gens drop Generic Lead Viral Bot which you then combined with a typed base purchased from bazzit for x credits (10m f.ex). this way when you get double 300 spiritual drop after 60 raids of no bots you don't /wrists.

Bumpx1000 for best practicable idea ever. Or possibly combine this with the Gauntlet approach of having to gather many common items from generals.

Of course the best idea is to just remove the armor from the game. But all we need is another reason for people to quit, right?