Mongo Rage

[Insane666]

it would indeed be a nice design of a perk, only if it wasnt breed locked and be at least comparable in stat bonuses to any other breeds genome perks,,,

lets make a fast comparison to just one solitus perk, wich comes handy in this case, since it gives aao aswell:

sphere +100aao( and 100 aad) vs. +1.5kaao mongo rage

15 times higher, breed locked bonus,,,

the drawback, when it comes at the end of MR duration, is way to little of a drawback for such a huge boost, lets face it: +1,5k ar within ao's mechanics is huge
so huge it allows to use ( with great success ) in some cases weapon/specials combinations you would never even dream of landing anything besides a on a backyard leet w.o MR

if you compare the drawbacks to the stats gain and anything else in the DataBase, the drawbacks look minor at best, and that boost is in many sittuations gamebreaking ( not in all, but in enuff to deserve a redesign/tune down )

[Graftmage]

There is nothing wrong with MR

MR being a breed specific perk is the main thing that is wrong with it. It is extremely overpowered in comparison to other breed perks, one cannot fully balance a profession (without giving everyone but troxes some silly compensation for the lack of MR) around it.
Sphere, blinded by delights, survival are all just nice bonuses, hardly a deciding factor of who wins and who loses.
If MR was a professions perk (agent, enf, shade, does not matter) it would have been a completely different story.

that sounds fun when NT says that who can 100% land they nukes to every1 who dont have nr8 perked.
so why then NTs should keep their insane nr debuff? what can be used every few seconds and after that they can nuke/perk any1

NT does not have great defense.

Balance: Kills ~= Deaths. It is mostly true for NT. Same with docs - very little kills, but count of deaths tends to zero.

[-XeI20-]

NT does not have great defense.

lolwut! NT can tank TR and PM perklines under nbg while also poxing two people with nukes!

[Perskules]

NT does not have great defense.

haha you good joke.



if MR is so OP why pll still rolling other breeds?
trox got very hard with alpha symbs. need farm all buffing items to get good equip. solis/opis dont need much to get top symbs on

[Graftmage]

lolwut! NT can tank TR and PM perklines under nbg while also poxing two people with nukes!

It does not last long enough to kill 2 people, especially if they know what they are doing plus it features a "nice" drawback. Shade vs NT is like.. who attacks first - wins, and since shades are better at hiding and surprise attacks, you can pick on NTs all day long as shade. I play both profs, I know what I am talking about.

if MR is so OP why pll still rolling other breeds?

Do you see people rolling non trox shades for pvp?

trox got very hard with alpha symbs. need farm all buffing items to get good equip. solis/opis dont need much to get top symbs on

Farming buffing items/equipping symbs is irrelevant. You do both things only once. Besides, good share or buffing items also happen to be pvp equip items (ability bracers). The only things that are kinda hard to get are high QL nodrop ability rings, but they are rarely needed anymore, even for trox's.

[Perskules]

Do you see people rolling non trox shades for pvp?

so only 1 prof running with it. whats the big deal then?

[-XeI20-]

It does not last long enough to kill 2 people

It does if you have a fixer helping take down the first person! I witnessed it myself!1

[Graftmage]

so only 1 prof running with it. whats the big deal then?

Judging from your comments, you are running with it too.

[Perskules]

Judging from your comments, you are running with it too.

yeah using it on solja. needed to perk something on smg setup

[Berserkmc]

yeah using it on solja. needed to perk something on smg setup

So, it's not 1 prof already.

[Yama]

Comparing breeds there is a huge difference in abilities. Trox has huge disadvantage against other breeds in sense/int/psy. Therefore he has less skillpoints in skills which are based on these (nanos,evades, nanopool, ...).
And ofc trox has more twinking job all the time (not only once, but always when twinking tl2,tl3,tl4,tl5,tl7)
So 1perk which has huge advantage compared to all probs what trox got is ok for me.

If you think that perk is totally OP why you did not roll trox then ? I bet we know your answer....

[Berserkmc]

If you think that perk is totally OP why you did not roll trox then ? I bet we know your answer....

Man, not all want to reroll from breed to breed all the time.

[Notcrattey]

If you think that perk is totally OP why you did not roll trox then ? I bet we know your answer....

Because I started this game as a sloob, and didn't really know about gamebreaking perks from a breed? We shouldn't be "punished" because we picked another breed.

[Alternity]

I have 3 220's (220x2 219x1 :x) who would benefit from having MR.
But guess what only 1 of my 4x220 have MR and that's a conscious decision because I do not want the negative side effects MR brings along with it.


Stop making it out as if everyone and their mother would go trox for MR if they could, because they would not.

[Hacre]

Stop making it out as if everyone and their mother would go trox for MR if they could, because they would not.

Ya. Makes no sense for NTs

On a serious note, it's not a choice for most people. When I rolled Hacre (Soli Keeper) I didn't want the downsides that came with Atrox, despite being aware of Mongo Rage.

Having said that, one Keeper nerfbat that was post LE later and I'd kill to have an MR like ability with an AS swap. That's not the fault of MR however, it's the fault of what has been allowed to happen to Keepers.

[Dancingrage]

I actually rerolled cos they haven't put in a rebirth setup yet, and NM was my choice from Soli.

So if you want to give NM evil overpowered perks, then just make Notum Shield unbreakable and 30% reflects and I think we'll call it even. Or make Reject and Sword ridiculously powerful (+1000% nanocost debuff lasts for 1 min or something stupid) which I think isn't worth the effort since they suck that bad.

Soli perks aren't too bad, I liked Survival when I had it, never really fooled around with Sphere (probably needs a boost) but Opi just need help in general. More damage or just removing the fail from their perk actions would probably be nice.

[McKnuckleSamwich]

I have 3 220's (220x2 219x1 :x) who would benefit from having MR.
But guess what only 1 of my 4x220 have MR and that's a conscious decision because I do not want the negative side effects MR brings along with it.


Stop making it out as if everyone and their mother would go trox for MR if they could, because they would not.

{edited by Anarrina: removed obscenity}

Take a look around, and everytime you see a Trox PVP'er, ask if he uses MR.

Now, look around and ask other breeds what they use for their 10 end game AI perks.

Other breeds use either: 1, Primary genome 2, Secondary Genome, 3. CoNC or Conc+AIT3,

the probablity of someone choosing any of those three is 1/3 or 33%. The same probability of a random selection is applied to Atrox.

NOW: If there are more than 33% of Atrox using MR, you can safely say that it is MORE desirable than any other option at Endgame for PVP.

Honestly? 33% is a {edited by Anarrina: removed obscenity} joke. I'd say close to 95% of PVPing atrox use MR.

95%>>>>>>>>>>>>33%. Therefore: MR is OP'd

And, for the record you haven't supplied ANY relevant information as to WHY you only use MR on 1 toon. If your other toons are Doctor/ nano user or TSer, your comparison is more full of crap than originally assessed.

[Johnnykay]

Can we get a poll on how many people rolled their toons pre-AI vs. how many rolled post-AI, knowing full well what the genome perks added, and now want to change it? QQ

[Yama]

NOW: If there are more than 33% of Atrox using MR, you can safely say that it is MORE desirable than any other option at Endgame for PVP.
Honestly? 33% is a {edited by Anarrina: removed obscenity} joke. I'd say close to 95% of PVPing atrox use MR.
95%>>>>>>>>>>>>33%. Therefore: MR is OP'd

Usualy trox are using (if) MR after AI30. Because 10ai perks will go to primary or group perk line, another 10 will go usually to champion (heavy, light) and rest 10 troxes usually usualy spending on nano.champion coz lack of nano-skills.

How many troxes play PVP ? For example I choose atrox coz more HP and better primary weapon skill. And atm i'm not using MR on any on my atroxes. Because while lvling up i need more nanoskills.

So after all the time in game what i need to spent with twinking my skills up when i want wear something good what i got being atrox ? Only more work.....
Finally after all atrox can get 1 perk (if he want go pvp, otherwise is useless) and all whining about it ? Go play trox first and after that you can talk....

For example i will switch my atrox soldier to solitus (if it will be possible) because solitus rox atm. No need of nano.champ(or if using then going with NR perks).....healing perk.....easily wearing items....and possible to cast all end-game nanos without loosing so much skills. And i know also some pvp atrox shades which are sick of being rooted/snared so their MR sux and want go solitus.

MR is not big win of being atrox...especially when you are not pvping and have only downsides of your breed.

You want nerf MR ? Increase basic ablities (sense/int/psy) on troxes then.

[Hacre]

You want nerf MR ? Increase basic ablities (sense/int/psy) on troxes then.

Er...why?

For the record, I've said before I've personally got no problem with MR, my problem is the other breed perks sucking by comparison (though I do love me some tacky hack).

I don't quite get what Mongo-Rage-Noob-Basher button has to do with sense/int/psy or symbiants, or, anything really. MR isn't the only reason to roll Atrox.

Like you spend the least amount of IP in base abilities, for example.