Please tweak new enforcer nanos before going live

[Dyna18]

Please tweak new enforcer nanos before going live.

I love to have new nanos for my enforcer character, but as I saw them on the test server, they could use a bit of tweaking to make it more realistic to use them.

First of all it seems that all new nano's only use the PM and SI skill.

Why not spread the requirements a bit, why put everything on these 2?

Second it seems the some of the high QL nanos have rediculous high nano skill requirements, higher then we can even raise as an enforcer maybe. Don't forget that all 6!!! nano skills for an enforcer are very dark blue.

Third (and this is my most important point!) I'm missing nano crystals to boost Brawling.

I expected a few nano crystals to raise this skill, just like Dirty fighter does for MA, but not even the 2 new Rampage nano boost Brawling

Please put a brawling line of nanos on the market for enforcers, since we really use this skill a lot, and it's really strange to me that MA has them, but Enf not.

[____________Garishna]

Bump!

I think that is completely valid complaint. Havn't actually seen the new line but if it's as bad as I hear, I'm not even gonna bother trying to use them.

Brawling would be cool too

Anybody post the req for the new line anywhere, I'm to lazy to look.

[__________Beautyfarm]

pretty much ALL skill buffs are based on pm and si (correct me if im wrong), so its only logical that the new enf nanos are too. however, the reqs seem pretty silly. same goes for the new nt and the one new engy nano in 14.5 . (reqs on these are 1000+ in up to three nano skills).

[Obit]

Originally posted by Dyna18

First of all it seems that all new nano's only use the PM and SI skill.

Why not spread the requirements a bit, why put everything on these 2?

They are skill buffs. All skills buffs require SI / PM. It would be crazy to make the enforcer skill buffs any different.

Second it seems the some of the high QL nanos have rediculous high nano skill requirements, higher then we can even raise as an enforcer maybe. Don't forget that all 6!!! nano skills for an enforcer are very dark blue.

Buhu, welcome to reality. Most classes are unable to self cast all their nanos, especially the most nano reliant classes (heh, isn't that perfect irony..). To be able to cast your top nanos you need the help of a mp and/or trader.
Makes for diversity in teams you know? I'm sure a team of 5 enfs and a doc would be a lot more useful than a lot of other combinations, why bother to drag along MPs and traders? Now MPs has a purpose to lvl beyond 130.

Third (and this is my most important point!) I'm missing nano crystals to boost Brawling.

I expected a few nano crystals to raise this skill, just like Dirty fighter does for MA, but not even the 2 new Rampage nano boost Brawling

Please put a brawling line of nanos on the market for enforcers, since we really use this skill a lot, and it's really strange to me that MA has them, but Enf not.

MAs are the masters of unarmed damage. Brawl is AFAIK using your fists to punch an opponent. Your dark blue brawl skill should also be an indicator that it isn't an enf skill.

[______________Yazule]

I agree with most of this reply, and I dont think we NEED brawl buffs.

Fact is though that 80% of enforcers use brawl so to say it is not an enforcer skill is pretty nuts.

*shrug*

we get 5/level {edit, changed 4 to 5, was a typo}

if it was not an enforcer skill it would be 3/level (like all ranged skills)

*edit* umm, 2hb is teal (ie kinda blue) does that suggest that 2hb is not as much of an enforcer skill as edged? If so, then we all just idiots when we roll enforcers cause a MAJOR sector of enforcers are 2hb

[______________Sredni]

Ug, enforcer's shouldn't be scrounging for nano skill points, we're not supposed to be a super nano class. I think they should tone down the requirements *shrug*.

Take the edged buffs, the one that's the equivilant of Brutal Thug takes around 100 more skill in both pm and si to cast. That's not right, they can't just ignore the skill range they established with the origional buffs. Especially when the edged, peircing, energy melee buffs should have been in the game from day 1.

[Obit]

Sorry I phrazed that bad. I meant brawl's not *primarily* an enforcer skill.

[___________Hisaomaro]

*shrug* I have to use all my nano skills too... and for half the effectiveness for my buffs.

I have to deal with it... everyone else has to. ... and I highly doubt I can self cast my highest ones at that.

[Dyna18]

Originally posted by Third Eye

Buhu, welcome to reality. Most classes are unable to self cast all their nanos, especially the most nano reliant classes (heh, isn't that perfect irony..). To be able to cast your top nanos you need the help of a mp and/or trader.
Makes for diversity in teams you know? I'm sure a team of 5 enfs and a doc would be a lot more useful than a lot of other combinations, why bother to drag along MPs and traders? Now MPs has a purpose to lvl beyond 130.

They can't expect an enforcer to max out it's nano skills. An enforcer is a fighter, not a nano user. So why make our nano requirements that high then?
Don't forget that all 6! of our nano skills are dark blue. That's a huge IP pit.

Brawl is AFAIK using your fists to punch an opponent. Your dark blue brawl skill should also be an indicator that it isn't an enf skill.

It's not dark blue, but it's greenish!
It's also a skill a large majority of enfocers use, so I think a buff for it on higher levels is only fair.
It's also logical if you think about what kind of skill brawling is (hand to hand close combat) which fits perfectly into the profile of an enforcer (large strong fighter, using simple fighting).

[___________Hisaomaro]

Originally posted by Dyna18


They can't expect an enforcer to max out it's nano skills. An enforcer is a fighter, not a nano user. So why make our nano requirements that high then?
Don't forget that all 6! of our nano skills are dark blue. That's a huge IP pit.

Oh Im sooo sure fixers are expected to either... but they manage. Its a tough road... but it takes thought into what skills you're going keep.

[Eurus]

Fixers do get that HUD2 item that boosts their nanoskills and their nanoskills cap higher then Enforcers, partly due to that. I'm fine with the hard to raise nanoskills and even the high reqs on the new lines, but I do think that the fact that I need 100 more SI/PM to get +89 2he OR 1he then is needed to get +87 1hb AND 2hb is a bit off. The non-blunt weapons are not in anyway superior to blunts so you can't say that it's to balance that. It's just a bit of something that doesn't make sense.

[__________BrutalThug]

Originally posted by Yazule
If so, then we all just idiots when we roll enforcers cause a MAJOR sector of enforcers are 2hb

Most of them are atrox which got 400 int.. me included so your statement can very well be true.. ill investigate this case further.

the skillbuffs

earlier mentioned by here somewhere after 14.x FC rep. said that new nanos might be for shadowlands so.. thats why the req's are so high.

[Blackwing]

Originally posted by Third Eye


They are skill buffs. All skills buffs require SI / PM. It would be crazy to make the enforcer skill buffs any different.


Buhu, welcome to reality. Most classes are unable to self cast all their nanos, especially the most nano reliant classes (heh, isn't that perfect irony..). To be able to cast your top nanos you need the help of a mp and/or trader.
Makes for diversity in teams you know? I'm sure a team of 5 enfs and a doc would be a lot more useful than a lot of other combinations, why bother to drag along MPs and traders? Now MPs has a purpose to lvl beyond 130.

actually it does not.

all it means is that metas will be more sought before the team rolls off on a mission.

people want the meta buffs not the meta. who knows maybe the next fix will be a decrease in meta buffs duration.

[eyedee]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Third Eye


They are skill buffs. All skills buffs require SI / PM. It would be crazy to make the enforcer skill buffs any different.

Hey, i dont care what they are, they are just to high!

Buhu, welcome to reality. Most classes are unable to self cast all their nanos, especially the most nano reliant classes (heh, isn't that perfect irony..). To be able to cast your top nanos you need the help of a mp and/or trader.
Makes for diversity in teams you know? I'm sure a team of 5 enfs and a doc would be a lot more useful than a lot of other combinations, why bother to drag along MPs and traders? Now MPs has a purpose to lvl beyond 130.

look, with ql 200 imps a enf at lvl 200 can selfcast behemoth.
skill req = 700.
so if he wants to cast the new nanos that are skill req: 866.. he would need a mochams.. ooh wait not even that will help.

MAs are the masters of unarmed damage. Brawl is AFAIK using your fists to punch an opponent. Your dark blue brawl skill should also be an indicator that it isn't an enf skill.

Our brawl are not dark blue. hello? wakeup

[Dyna18]

^^^^

[MrFurious]

eh? QL200 imps at L200? *falls off chair laughing*

I've been selfcasting behemoth since 163 or so, dont know where you got that from.
but you're right about the new nanos, unless SI/PM is fully implanted (which will completely mess up weapon skills) they're not even castable with mochams alone, but mochams + a wrangle.

The new nanos is supposed to be based on the shadowlands skill budget tho, so I guess we'll just have to run around with our uncastable nanos until that arrives. *shrug*

Originally posted by eyedee

look, with ql 200 imps a enf at lvl 200 can selfcast behemoth.
skill req = 700.
so if he wants to cast the new nanos that are skill req: 866.. he would need a mochams.. ooh wait not even that will help.

[Nomius]

Originally posted by Third Eye

MAs are the masters of unarmed damage. Brawl is AFAIK using your fists to punch an opponent. Your dark blue brawl skill should also be an indicator that it isn't an enf skill.

Actually the ma's brawl skill is teal, and the enf brawl skill is green If you read the profesion description in the manual you will see that brawl is on of the few key skills that are listed on enf. The key enf skills are actually. Body development,
Brawling, All melee skills, Melee initiative and Psychology.

Even fixer has a buff for there alpha attacks now, i find it some w00t suprising that enf dosent have a buff for there key alpha attack.

/scratch

[______________Yazule]

Originally posted by Third Eye
Sorry I phrazed that bad. I meant brawl's not *primarily* an enforcer skill.

all beam enforcers have one special *brawl*

it IS a primary attack, sorry if you dont think so, but an MA gets both brawl and an MA attack so they are less dependant on it than a beam enforcer. My brawl is maxed and implanted in 3 places, like most 2hb enforcers.

[___________JagdTyger]

Why would they need to be tweaked, seems pretty fair that they use PM and SI only, these new wep buffs are very similar to the ADV ones we got few months back, and they use the same req's, if they get toned down at all you will prolly see a ton of ADVs asking for theirs to be toned down also, not like we dont have ones with rediculous reqs. We also dont get to boost brawling, and all melee ADVs use that as a primary attack and ours is Dark Blue

Just an observation If this is taken seriously and Enfs get tweaked, ADVs should also.

Jagdtyger

[kaghelion]

Well as a member of a profession with nano reqs in all six skills I've got to say:
No! You DO NOT want your nano reqs on any more skills.