Friday with Means - May 20th, 2011: No to Spawn Camping

[shishu]

muuuu

[Molotoff]

2. Large empty areas of the Battlestations are going to be made inaccessible. The blank areas between teleporters at core and wings are going to be blocked off. Before these areas were necessary for Mech transport but with the removal of the steps around teleporters are no longer necessary.

So there will be less space to pick up your fights, pull opponents, rest between fights, use range to your advantage, ... It removes an important tactical aspect from BS (TL7 point of view here).

Is there any real reason to remove those parts, by the way ? If people find them too big, with planned points #1 and #3, they don't have to go there any more so it should not matter for them if the zone still exist. Then why prevent who want to from going there ?

[Gatester]

So there will be less space to pick up your fights, pull opponents, rest between fights, use range to your advantage, ... It removes an important tactical aspect from BS (TL7 point of view here).

Is there any real reason to remove those parts, by the way ? If people find them too big, with planned points #1 and #3, they don't have to go there any more so it should not matter for them if the zone still exist. Then why prevent who want to from going there ?

Is the massive walkway up to the top of core/mid necessary? Are the long hallways which, when combined, are larger than the typical play areas you find players 99% of the time actually a good thing?

I think you are just complaining about something for the sake of complaining without making an earnest grievance. The battlestations are about pvp, not hiding, healing, or afking for a while in a safe place no one uses except people trying to avoid pvp.

[Johnnykay]

ok, this is what you meant to say.........

2-151-200 BS range is now 151-199 (we realized finally how OP the 200's are and we apologize for mistake)

The 199/29/63 toons will still destroy you. :P

[Frubaliscious]

Yeah those 199/29/63 toons are all fair and balanced, right? :P

yes actually.

[SoapTarder]

So there will be less space to pick up your fights, pull opponents, rest between fights, use range to your advantage, ... It makes teaming almost necessary to survive now in BS.

fixed that for ya.

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yeah, this is a change to BS that many players have been anticipating for a loooong time coming. glad to see its happening finally. now we just need different maps and life in BS should pick up handsomely.

[Lazy]

nooooo... but how will i farm easy solokills off greens if they actually get a choice as to where to spawn?!

[Johnnykay]

nooooo... but how will i farm easy solokills off greens if they actually get a choice as to where to spawn?!

L2triplelog

[Gora]

ADDENDUM:

3-all charactors beginning with the letter G are now the coolest, and we're putting them in charge.

Woo hoo!

[Molotoff]

The battlestations are about pvp, not hiding, healing, or afking for a while in a safe place no one uses except people trying to avoid pvp.

Why do all the players not spawn at the same time in the same confined room then ? That would be PvP, wouldn't it ? And get rid of those points to cap, since capping a point is not PvP.

fixed that for ya.

Teaming does not change what I said. Not all teams are equal. So you might want to pick up your fights too. And have some room to use whatever professions you have in your team to the best of their capacities.

Aaah, let me guess, it's to make RI'ing almost necessary to survive now in BS ? So, why not make everyone spawn at the same time in the same confined room ?

[Demoder]

These changes are very interesting.
It would be nice if you could make these teleporters take the following into consideration as well:
1: Spawn at any wing (A/B/C) which your side controls (but not middle)
2: When someone's capping a point, block spawning for any side in that wing

Also.. Please make sure you allow enough time to let people regroup before they're force-spawned.

PS: I'm glad to see people "whine" over the missing results of the whine contest!

Edit:

And get rid of those points to cap, since capping a point is not PvP.

Controlling the area long enough to cap the point either involves PvP, or the complete absence of opponents. It's up to the defending players, really.. just like towers.

[Autohead]

So there will be less space to pick up your fights, pull opponents, rest between fights, use range to your advantage, ... It removes an important tactical aspect from BS (TL7 point of view here).

Is there any real reason to remove those parts, by the way ? If people find them too big, with planned points #1 and #3, they don't have to go there any more so it should not matter for them if the zone still exist. Then why prevent who want to from going there ?

Well, I've seen people use the dead space between the points to hide and avoid fighting so their blockage would be nice in my opinion, even though I enjoyed killing people standing around in there.

[Stigman]

*thumbs up*

I like BS being technically made smaller by removing / blocking of some area, it means people can't run in one direction forever and slowly get away from me.

I hope the changes to the ramp / core are as effective as the teleport steps ..coz if they are I'm sooooooooooo gonna wet myself.

Big'up to fixing the spawning.

[Graftmage]

What about "no more 4-capping"?

[Frubaliscious]

What about "no more 4-capping"?

the side that caps the 4th point should force core to turn neutral making it impossible for anyone to ever have 4 points capped at once, and if core is the 4th point capped the opponents spawn caps automatically in your enemies favour. adds a little tactical fun to the mix imo.

[Demoder]

4capping is often a result of spawn camping. I think the suggested changes will mitigate that problem.. And, IMO, they should see how that turns out before they try to implement something which makes total domination a disadvantage.

Maybe they should make all the points go neutral after being capped for two minutes, and drop the increased speed on 4cap?
This would make you have to maintain good enough precence in all wings to defend the point AND to cap it when the timer expires.

[Mavritanic]

Any plans on merging RK1 BS with RK2´s? ;P Cause atleast i feel RK2´s BS stations is rather dead(ish) most of the time.. kinda boring for us

Rk2 have active notum wars. I think it's just or active NW, or active BS.

[harkness]

2. Large empty areas of the Battlestations are going to be made inaccessible. The blank areas between teleporters at core and wings are going to be blocked off. Before these areas were necessary for Mech transport but with the removal of the steps around teleporters are no longer necessary.

I love the change of adding the teleport maps, much needed and much appreciated.

I'm curious about this one though, what's the rationale behind it? On my lowbie enforcer, sometimes my only chance at living through an encounter is running away from it, and I've often used those passages to add some variety in my running to escape pursuers. If those are gone, it's pretty predictable which way your opponent went.

[Vitaliy]

Now just stop people abusing teleporters and we're all good!

And winners should get cake.

[Frubaliscious]

I love the change of adding the teleport maps, much needed and much appreciated.

I'm curious about this one though, what's the rationale behind it?

1 of the devs logged into the game and got spawn camped DERRRR!, the only reason anything ever changes in AO ^^ hi Kintaii !