Why multiboxers are killing this game...do something please.

[DarkerThanBlack]

Yeah how could multiboxing be any kind of a problem?, I mean people would complain about it, if it was....

People complain about things all the time. Profession x is op, item y is op, nerf this, nerf that. Very rarely though are those complaints actually reasonable, most boil down to personal feelings how things should or shouldn't be. Rants like this thread are all based on personal feelings towards the matter as they literally never provide any rational explanation.

I don't feel you can dismiss game design as not "direct" action against multiboxing

to do so is pretty short-sighted.

Obviously you can since games have been complex long before multiboxing existed. It is very unlikely that the creators of those games thought about creating fun and challenging content just to prevent something that wasn't even fathomable at the time and is a non-issue for at least 95% of the entire internet playerbase now that it does in fact exist. I don't know if you're playing dumb to get a point across or you really can't tell the difference between direct and indirect action.

From an objective, logical standpoint all the anti-multiboxing people resemble a brainwashed cult, arguments based solely on feelings of resentment. Just a bunch of haters looking for an easy way out.

[Caloss2]

People complain about things all the time. Profession x is op, item y is op, nerf this, nerf that. Very rarely though are those complaints actually reasonable, most boil down to personal feelings how things should or shouldn't be. Rants like this thread are all based on personal feelings towards the matter as they literally never provide any rational explanation.

Plenty of rational argument has been raised previously on the matter of mb, but it's volume tends to be drowned out by all the opposing troll-noise/multi-account forum posts protecting their own interests.

[DigitalBath]

It's not hard to individually control 50 accounts when the cycle time of a strip miner is over 2 minutes long.

Go find me a multiboxing incursion runner or someone multiboxing nados for ganking: it doesn't exist anymore because to do it you needed input broadcasting and that is BANNED.

Cycles of over 2 minutes long? Since when? I have 45sec on my procurer with crappy skills (I skilled into it for baiting). There's always full mining boosts available in system and Cycles for Ice (which he also mines) are MUCH lower.

The last pvp multibox I found was 4x Maledictions and it's not banned. That said.. those 50 accounts are most likely done using KVM switches or a random delay broadcast (e.g. it doesn't LOOK automated in any way).

I don't need to "go find" something that specific. Don't run away from the main point here.

DarkerThanBlack also makes a great point. You're focusing on one game (one with a weak implementation of a ban at that). The vast majority of the market works quite differently from that which was the point here. They don't restrict or ban multiboxing in most if any forms.

[DarkerThanBlack]

Plenty of rational argument has been raised previously on the matter of mb, but it's volume tends to be drowned out by all the opposing troll-noise/multi-account forum posts protecting their own interests.

In the irrational mind even the most abstract idea may seem rational.

For example: complaining how you don't like it, how it's making you or your friends quit is cognitive bias, or irrational thinking because it's purely based on feelings.

You have to look at the big picture, how multiboxing is effecting everyone, compare the pros and cons and if the cons outweigh the pros then you have an actual rational argument as to why it's bad. Of course we never see such arguments because multiboxing isn't nearly as big of a deal as some individuals make it out to be.

[Caloss2]

In the irrational mind even the most abstract idea may seem rational.

For example: complaining how you don't like it, how it's making you or your friends quit is cognitive bias, or irrational thinking because it's purely based on feelings.

Surely that's observational evidence when you see your friends quitting ? ah but like you say in an irrational mind.

You have to look at the big picture, how multiboxing is effecting everyone, compare the pros and cons and if the cons outweigh the pros then you have an actual rational argument as to why it's bad. Of course we never see such arguments because multiboxing isn't nearly as big of a deal as some individuals make it out to be.

Oh please not the "bigger picture" argument again, don't we have enough of that "spin" from politicians/coperations already ? it's transparent when they do it, and lets face it, they make a pretty good living at it where as, well we're just posting on a obscure forum on the internet.
pfft.

[DarkerThanBlack]

Surely that's observational evidence when you see your friends quitting ? ah but like you say in an irrational mind.

It's a subjective opinion, not evidence of any kind. People quit for all kinds of reasons and unless you somehow provide actual data on how many people have quit solely because of multiboxing (excluding factors such as lack of time, money, boredom etc.) your so called evidence remains just an opinion.

Oh please not the "bigger picture" argument again, don't we have enough of that "spin" from politicians/coperations already ? it's transparent when they do it, and lets face it, they make a pretty good living at it where as, well we're just posting on a obscure forum on the internet.
pfft.

Whether politicians use that argument is irrelevant. It's the only logical argument in this case. AO is a single product designed for a mass of people and changes in such an environment require consideration for everyone involved not just a few slackers who feel emotionally discontent.

[Cratertina]

Meh, I come on forums A bit, evening time to recapture on current AO events and All i see is multiboxing threads..

Wtb new forum content to browse.

[Caloss2]

It's a subjective opinion, not evidence of any kind. People quit for all kinds of reasons and unless you somehow provide actual data on how many people have quit solely because of multiboxing (excluding factors such as lack of time, money, boredom etc.) your so called evidence remains just an opinion.

No, don't be deliberately obtuse; when your friends say "I am quitting because of multi boxing" and then actually quit, obviously.

Whether politicians use that argument is irrelevant. It's the only logical argument in this case. AO is a single product designed for a mass of people and changes in such an environment require consideration for everyone involved not just a few slackers who feel emotionally discontent.

Do stop trolling/baiting. I am not the least bit interested in involving myself into any of your egocentric drama.

Bye.

[Tsuniko]

Cycles of over 2 minutes long? Since when? I have 45sec on my procurer with crappy skills (I skilled into it for baiting). There's always full mining boosts available in system and Cycles for Ice (which he also mines) are MUCH lower.

The last pvp multibox I found was 4x Maledictions and it's not banned. That said.. those 50 accounts are most likely done using KVM switches or a random delay broadcast (e.g. it doesn't LOOK automated in any way).

I don't need to "go find" something that specific. Don't run away from the main point here.

DarkerThanBlack also makes a great point. You're focusing on one game (one with a weak implementation of a ban at that). The vast majority of the market works quite differently from that which was the point here. They don't restrict or ban multiboxing in most if any forms.

That's because you're fitting regular mining lasers lol. Strip mines have base duration of 3minutes and with full boosts, implants and skills can get to around 1:50.

Any evidence for the malediction multibox? Squad warps are still ingame and they use missiles which isn't instant damage so hard to tell if they're being broadcast to or just someone is very fast at clicking.

I'm focusing on EVE because no other game makes it so you can make a huge impact on the entire population by multiboxing.

@Darkerthanblack

Just going to stop replying to anything you say now because all you do is make up statistics and deliberately disagree with anything we post just to create conflict, the very definition of a troll

[Psikie]

People complain about things all the time. Profession x is op, item y is op, nerf this, nerf that. Very rarely though are those complaints actually reasonable, most boil down to personal feelings how things should or shouldn't be. Rants like this thread are all based on personal feelings towards the matter as they literally never provide any rational explanation.

+1

You know economics 101 says if 5 customers with 1 account each complain and threaten to quit the game are at odds with 5 customers with 5 accounts each which one wins. By my math thats 5 v 25 and majority and money always wins.

I would dare to add that the MB players also cater to the 20 customers that dont pvp. Very rarely do I see the pvp orgs teaming with anyone except themselves. So I dare say the MB's are helping keep the vast majority of players into the game.

Which is more likely?

Newbie 1- wow I saw a guy with 3 accounts solo something cool. I want to do that also. (They pay for extra accounts.)

OR

Newbie 2- wow I just got killed trying to turn in a daily mission and lost all my xp. This sucks I hate this game. (cancel account)

MBs dont chase off players, the title farmers do.

[Tsuniko]

The logic makes my eyes bleed.


new player sees guy with 6 accounts do something: "Oh I have to pay for 6 accounts to do anything in this game, **** this I'm out"

[Sleekyz]

Hy, I MB

[DigitalBath]

That's because you're fitting regular mining lasers lol. Strip mines have base duration of 3minutes and with full boosts, implants and skills can get to around 1:50.

Any evidence for the malediction multibox? Squad warps are still ingame and they use missiles which isn't instant damage so hard to tell if they're being broadcast to or just someone is very fast at clicking.

I'm focusing on EVE because no other game makes it so you can make a huge impact on the entire population by multiboxing.

Yeah but you're focusing on a flawed example. Poitot Dot is a fairly well known multiboxer. He has 4 toons all named in the same weird fashion and they attack in unison. I'm hoping he's banned at last but I'm not betting on it.
The two in my pocket use 38 and 50 accounts. You're asking me to believe they click every strip miner, or more likely every jettison individually? LOL.. If I hadn't SEEN them doing it I'd believe you.. but watching those cans plop out is a very obvious experience.
It's the same as asking you to believe our multiboxers press each aimed shot individually.

As for Cycle times, a mid-skilled pilot in our system gets 87.5s on T2 Modulated Strip Miners, but the MB'ers use T1 Strip Miners for this. Maybe more importantly they have 30seconds on Ice (which the MBer also mines with names like ICE GRINDER12. But since the guy in my system uses a Charon to haul things to the compression array I'm guessing it's all about the Jettisoning/Hauling off and not so much about activating the Ice Harvesters / Strip Miners.
He mines for hours and hours and often clears Ice Belts on his own.. It screams Multiboxing. Smart multiboxing.

The impact of MBers in EVE can't really be compared to the impact in AO, either. It's actually much greater in EVE as PVM and PVP are linked together tightly there. AO has a relatively small but loud PVP population when compared to the majority of carebears who don't affect PVP meaningfully (and don't want to take part in it other than getting the dailies for XP while half afk). In EVE without a constant indy effort you stop having the ships to fight with.
I wish AO had more PVP people but that's not easy to change without overhauling NW/Battlestations and reward systems to get people involved. If multiboxing went away the current pvp'ers would just go through to the next reason to whine. Look at the forum archives if you doubt this in any way.

[Tsuniko]

Yes pls, show me ur t1 strip miners with 45 sec cycle please

[DigitalBath]

Yes pls, show me ur t1 strip miners with 45 sec cycle please

I meant T1 ice havesters. As I said, I'm not a miner myself! Check the edited post.

Low Skills T1 Ice Harvesters:
https://gyazo.com/b5775c6b1353cc49b38c93f2a29e7df6

[Tsuniko]

I say i've seen it because it's been streamed. ISBoxer is still allowed just not with input broadcasting, so he just sets up the screen with 20+ accounts running with only the modules visible.

Really not hard to click even 50 in 45 seconds, plus it's not like you have to KEEP clicking them since it's going to run a couple cycles automatically.

"If multiboxing went away the current pvp'ers would just go through to the next reason to whine. Look at the forum archives if you doubt this in any way."

Not really, this has been a problem for almost 5 years now and the population of the game has suffered as a direct consequence

[Caloss2]

It's all relative, if enough "noobs" quit then the "whales" the ones with 6 accounts have no community to play with and leave also. Look what's happened in payday and warframe with making it pay2win... tumble weed.

Trophic cascade in reverse effect of sorts.

[DigitalBath]

I say i've seen it because it's been streamed. ISBoxer is still allowed just not with input broadcasting, so he just sets up the screen with 20+ accounts running with only the modules visible.

Really not hard to click even 50 in 45 seconds, plus it's not like you have to KEEP clicking them since it's going to run a couple cycles automatically.

"If multiboxing went away the current pvp'ers would just go through to the next reason to whine. Look at the forum archives if you doubt this in any way."

Not really, this has been a problem for almost 5 years now and the population of the game has suffered as a direct consequence

You're implying a major chunk of the AO population cares about PVP here. That's never been true and while it's "better" now for us pvp'ers (because a lot of PVE-only people went to other games over time), it's still mostly a PVE crowd.

As for the idea that those 38 and 50 accounts (2 different multiboxers) are being managed with ISBoxer's screen sectioning options (that are actually also against CCP's rules from what I've been able to read lately) is cute but not realistic.
Next time he's mining in system and I'm online I'll consider recording a bit of it in a cloaky and letting you see the insanity of that claim for yourself. The 38-box guy cleans out full anomaly belts in a -1.0 system with max indexes like a boss.

Funnily enough I don't care so much about the impact in the economy (note that sadly PLEX didn't really go cheaper with multiboxers being "gone", contrary to what most were saying in the forums), I care about having a cleaner local while I'm at home not pvp'ing.. but that's a whole different topic.

P.S. - Don't nitpick my posts. If your only example is EVE (a much more pvp oriented game where pvm is the way to make ships for pvp).. it might be that your argument is just not good enough. We're much more comparable to a game like WoW for the most part. NW was broken way before Multiboxing went big. Again, forum archives. Go there. Read.

[paperjockey]

Meh, I come on forums A bit, evening time to recapture on current AO events and All i see is multiboxing threads..

Wtb new forum content to browse.

Amen. Seeing the same 7 people complain about it gets tired. They should just bump their old posts and cycle it between themselves.

[Psikie]

The logic makes my eyes bleed.


new player sees guy with 6 accounts do something: "Oh I have to pay for 6 accounts to do anything in this game, **** this I'm out"

old player sees guy with 4 froob accounts wipe his paid twink: "Oh I have to make a new QQ MB thread, and threaten to quit AO"