This. In the current form, you can have NSD up 25% of the time, the -nanodmg debuff for 10s 33,3% and the LE debuff (assuming the affected mob has over 20k nano pool) completely disable nukes for 10s with 0 lockout on the boss once every 2min if you are the only MP present.
Granted, pure froob raids will have a harder time. But then, the game has moved on, expansions made everyone more powerful. FC can not rebalance the game around this new power and have froobs retain all their tools at the same time. You will adapt.
I mean, it's not like healing will be such a big issue with the new team heals (2,1-2,5k top for froobs instead of the old 560-1,1k). That used to be the main issue to nsd an aoe-ing boss, right? So that docs did not have to worry about their team members who were, at the time, without aggro.
In the end, in a froob only raid, over 30s you'd look at 13s of completely 100% dmg, 10s of 60% dmg and 7s of 0 dmg.
The dmg that still gets through can be taken care of with fixer team hots, regular fixer long hots, team-absorbs (e.g from enf, will have to see if nts can do this as well), nice team heals from docs and advys, etc etc etc.
And for higher lvl raids: when in doubt/need, increase the number of MPs around. The LE nano lockout is self-only, and with mobs usually having a rather large nano pool, it should not be an issue to reach the 100% nano dmg debuff. I don't know of locations/mobs/raids that could not be taken care of with the proposed changes. Not like the mobs you need/use it for would aoe for 10k every 2s....
Nope, you didn't get me there. It's ok IF it lands, I have 0 problem with the fact that it can be landed.
What I do have a problem with is that me countering the debuff on the first try does not mean anything with its 1s recharge and inexistant lockout.
We have seen it with GTH. Way too spammable for NR to matter. Same applies here.
Last edited by sannz; Mar 23rd, 2011 at 20:07:32.
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True ;o But those are first calcs. And in meanwhile, 3.1k AR in CSS/AS setup with Creation Bow on
But since Kintaii said they gonna drastically change perks, all those calcs I'm making can end up being useless.
P.s.: I'm happy with the AR increase, ever if it isnt enough to hit evaders. shrug.
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To devs: You failed redesigning MPs as NTs with pets. I want my debuffer back.
Dreamer: Basically - I wish THIS much effort was put in to ALL profs rebalance docs.
Kintaii: Genele is more hardcore than you, your guildmates, and anyone else you've ever played with
Anarrina: Trust me, I'm not that scary in real life.
For the record, RK4 decided to come visit me when this document was released, I was under the impression I'd have a bit more time before it came out.
With that said I've had some concerns about some things in the document, but also pretty happy about others, I'll go much more into it in a next post.
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To devs: You failed redesigning MPs as NTs with pets. I want my debuffer back.
Dreamer: Basically - I wish THIS much effort was put in to ALL profs rebalance docs.
Kintaii: Genele is more hardcore than you, your guildmates, and anyone else you've ever played with
Anarrina: Trust me, I'm not that scary in real life.
Swapping for AS will take some time to swap then, 6 seconds swapping for an AS, u can swap on AS, back to creation bow, then cast those pet buffs and back to tigress again to AS, ull be swapping so much that in the meantime u couldve done the same damage with the creation bow
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Proud veteran of Spartans
To devs: You failed redesigning MPs as NTs with pets. I want my debuffer back.
Dreamer: Basically - I wish THIS much effort was put in to ALL profs rebalance docs.
Kintaii: Genele is more hardcore than you, your guildmates, and anyone else you've ever played with
Anarrina: Trust me, I'm not that scary in real life.
Note that you can't use the base nuke line with Tigress. You might be better off sticking with the Creation Bow against fixers for the base nukes, 6% nano-damage modifier and extra MC.
@JustinSane note those are only AR calcs.
@Johnnykay Pff
P.s.: Nano focused creation bow setup will get around 2.6k AR max and nice 2.8kish MC.
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Proud veteran of Spartans
To devs: You failed redesigning MPs as NTs with pets. I want my debuffer back.
Dreamer: Basically - I wish THIS much effort was put in to ALL profs rebalance docs.
Kintaii: Genele is more hardcore than you, your guildmates, and anyone else you've ever played with
Anarrina: Trust me, I'm not that scary in real life.
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Traderbr - 180/0/0 Trader Nanomage - / Kaoru - 60/0/0 Meta-Physicist Nanomage - totw semitwink
Proud veteran of Spartans
To devs: You failed redesigning MPs as NTs with pets. I want my debuffer back.
Dreamer: Basically - I wish THIS much effort was put in to ALL profs rebalance docs.
Kintaii: Genele is more hardcore than you, your guildmates, and anyone else you've ever played with
Anarrina: Trust me, I'm not that scary in real life.
Renowned jester of the double AS Tigress
MP in sneak eNSDed me and did about 20k damage in 10-12 seconds
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Traderbr - 180/0/0 Trader Nanomage - / Kaoru - 60/0/0 Meta-Physicist Nanomage - totw semitwink
Proud veteran of Spartans
To devs: You failed redesigning MPs as NTs with pets. I want my debuffer back.
Dreamer: Basically - I wish THIS much effort was put in to ALL profs rebalance docs.
Kintaii: Genele is more hardcore than you, your guildmates, and anyone else you've ever played with
Anarrina: Trust me, I'm not that scary in real life.
Enhanced Jathos will be worth a close look after these changes I think, as every piece of it adds +1 nano-damage modifier. DB Spirit-tech Chest, which adds 2, will also be worth more then than now.
Spammability in general is bad. And its one thing when its 50% with 2s recharge and an entirely different story when that becomes 75% with 1s recharge in a time and age when lockouts should empower nano resist and the ability to counter nanos AND profit from said counter. I thought the goal was to remove spammability of hostile nanos.
[sarcasm] tho, maybe I am wrong with all that. Maybe FC calced the spammability of those debuffs into their equation and NTs get nr8 free and without the nasty nano skill debuffs... [/sarcasm]
:edit: As for those "Nano Issues", guess you can always grab that 4h PNH from some other nt... OR get this shiny thing and get 60% nano refill every 4min, actually 3ish thanks to nice skill lock mods...
In other news: 90% nsd AND -100% nano dmg debuff not enough vs NTs? ^^
Last edited by sannz; Mar 24th, 2011 at 00:00:19.
Lainbr - 220/30/70 Meta-Physicist Nanomage - E / Spirals - 220/30/70 Enforcer Solitus - E / Kokusho - 201/22/55 Fixer Nanomage - Equip Soon ;o
Traderbr - 180/0/0 Trader Nanomage - / Kaoru - 60/0/0 Meta-Physicist Nanomage - totw semitwink
Proud veteran of Spartans
To devs: You failed redesigning MPs as NTs with pets. I want my debuffer back.
Dreamer: Basically - I wish THIS much effort was put in to ALL profs rebalance docs.
Kintaii: Genele is more hardcore than you, your guildmates, and anyone else you've ever played with
Anarrina: Trust me, I'm not that scary in real life.