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Maybe this question has already been posted somewhere in the thread, but cba to look through all the 200+ posts :3
When can we expect to see some more screenshots/videos of the new rendering engine? It was first announced over a year ago, and still we've only seen 1 video and 1 screenie.
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Actually, no, he didn't. He answered that not everyone would necessarily be getting the pvp mechanics, and that he'd rather give nothing than crap. He, however, did not mention that the pvp mechanics would be ALL that's coming out. Asking if there would be something to look foward to for my professions in the upcomming content is not the same as asking if we get the new pvp mechanics, which, of course we don't according to a list that MAY not be complete, if you had actually bothered to read the questions posed (and unanswered) by other people in this thread.
Is my question slightly bitter in the face of being shafted in FC's poor misconception of balance in our current fun rock-paper-scissors PvP environment? Sure. But don't try and change my question into something that it's not. Until we know for 100% certain exactly what's coming out, my question isn't answered.
Of course, the answer to my question can unfortunately be "nothing". In my opinion, a negative answer is still better than speculation, though.
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This Metaphore is often used, though i think its not correct, as we have Less Scissors than Paper, and these few Scissors do well in cutting Rocks too......FC's poor misconception of balance in our current fun rock-paper-scissors PvP environment?
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I think, in that case, you're taking the metaphor too literally. There's no rule in rock, paper, scissors that you have to pick each choice once or equally. You simply pick which you think is going to be the one that smashes the other person.
Taking that rather obvious concept into play, I think it fit's AOs pvp system nicely. Personally, I look at the concept of rock-paper-scissors pvp more in the means that everyone has multiple amounts of rock, paper, scissors to combat another profession, rather than selecting a specific and singular choice to represent each profession (though honestly I feel that works too, except I don't find the imbalance you've mentioned an inaccurate metaphor, just a visible showing that FC fails at balance yet again).
Since FC gets to pick which profession gets what tool, you can look at it like this:
Instead of each profession getting all three options in varying degrees, say, 8 rocks, 6 papers, and 7 scissors, some professions are getting 10 rocks, 8 papers, and 8 scissors while others are getting 1 rock, 2 papers, and 4 scissors.
You can pretty much assume and generalize at this point that profession A would be considered a rock in this, and profession B would be scissors. However, even though paper and scissors aren't Profession A's strengths, against a person where they would be more effective, say Profession C with 10 rocks as well, but only 1 paper and 4 scissors, Profession A then becomes scissors to Profession C's paper.
I'm sure I could go on in depth in how I feel the metaphor works, but it's really quite redundant toward this whole topic (and thread) so I'll just stop now. :P
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hm, next "friday with means" maybe we should be very short with comments and "blabla"? takes ages find the questions (I am blabla )
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That's what it would be in a best case scenario. But until they relook certain rox smashz all prof tools, then it isn't the case. There are some fairly all-rounded profs that dont have any one particular debilitating threat to them in PVP (mainly keepers and advies), but for the rest of us, we have to live with the fact that certain profs can #^&% us up the minute they see us.
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Electronite: FFA also destroyed Clan hegemony when it comes to tower wars. Ironically the downfall was started by the most active pvpers. Another ironic thing is that the downfall happened due to pvm conflict. Silirrion: (We have pretty good anti-troll filters by now though) Means: Thong-wearing troxes will always be a part of this game and a point of AO pride. Keldros: Obviously reall trolls don't use conditioner Marlark: If this forum was Swedish in it's language .. id pawn you any day. 220 NT: tl7 is a joke most of the time. 90% of the people are double double dead. some are worth debuffing tho. Mastablasta: you guys are right and I'm wrong. Ebag: No. You alpha me'd due to the stat bug. More Ebag: I don't have any twinks currently, nor do I participate much in mass TL7 PvP (though I do go occasionally, usually just to watch). Questra: an MP in sneak eNSDed me and did about 20k damage in 10-12 seconds
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Electronite: FFA also destroyed Clan hegemony when it comes to tower wars. Ironically the downfall was started by the most active pvpers. Another ironic thing is that the downfall happened due to pvm conflict. Silirrion: (We have pretty good anti-troll filters by now though) Means: Thong-wearing troxes will always be a part of this game and a point of AO pride. Keldros: Obviously reall trolls don't use conditioner Marlark: If this forum was Swedish in it's language .. id pawn you any day. 220 NT: tl7 is a joke most of the time. 90% of the people are double double dead. some are worth debuffing tho. Mastablasta: you guys are right and I'm wrong. Ebag: No. You alpha me'd due to the stat bug. More Ebag: I don't have any twinks currently, nor do I participate much in mass TL7 PvP (though I do go occasionally, usually just to watch). Questra: an MP in sneak eNSDed me and did about 20k damage in 10-12 seconds
What does this have to do with your lack of understanding of the metaphor?
On top of that, you've proven the metaphor more correct than I could have with specific examples. All the professions with zero defense against the prior profession's tools can now be considered the pair of crushed imaginary scissors to the theoretical crushing rock. I have never in my life played a game of rock-paper-scissors where the scissors were attempting to fight back my rock through means of their pointy end.
That said, simply stop for five seconds and realize that I'm not actually disagreeing with you or arguing with you, because I believe in my initial post I showed with an example that there were gross inequalities affording no equal chances between certain professions because of their given toolsets while leaving other professions proficient if not better in all areas of opportunity. I apologize for your lack of reading comprehension, but I have now stated it in plain english for your viewing pleasure.
You're welcome to keep driving your (extremely unclear) point into the ground, but I call it quits as I don't know what you're going on about. This may come as a shock, but I don't particularily care, either. Last word is yours for the taking! <3
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What I find really amusing is how the dev's now try to balance a totally unbalanced PvP situation.
They give some profs new PvP crowd control tools.
They give some profs a defence against those tools.
They give some profs neither of the two above.
And it's not the currently weak PvP profs that get something and the currently strong PvP profs that get nothing as you might think would maybe help bring some balance.
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Electronite: FFA also destroyed Clan hegemony when it comes to tower wars. Ironically the downfall was started by the most active pvpers. Another ironic thing is that the downfall happened due to pvm conflict. Silirrion: (We have pretty good anti-troll filters by now though) Means: Thong-wearing troxes will always be a part of this game and a point of AO pride. Keldros: Obviously reall trolls don't use conditioner Marlark: If this forum was Swedish in it's language .. id pawn you any day. 220 NT: tl7 is a joke most of the time. 90% of the people are double double dead. some are worth debuffing tho. Mastablasta: you guys are right and I'm wrong. Ebag: No. You alpha me'd due to the stat bug. More Ebag: I don't have any twinks currently, nor do I participate much in mass TL7 PvP (though I do go occasionally, usually just to watch). Questra: an MP in sneak eNSDed me and did about 20k damage in 10-12 seconds
I take rock every time.
And if someone covers it with paper (mind you that's a pretty weak defense), you punch them in the face with it, and then ask them casually how paper is supposed to stop that.
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