Will bureaucrats ever get a pistol pvp weapon?

[Pafpuf]

fraps or it didn't happen!

Oh it will.

[Shareida]

Oh, crap. I had no idea. Crats should not fight other crats. It could make universe to implode.

But still, it's a nice quote to have, even if you take it out of context.

crat VS crat duels actually require some skill.

Just send me a tell when you see me online, I'll gladly kill you in 10 seconds flat.

That will get funny to watch. Don't take the mouth too full Paf. Afaik, Sterva never declined a duel.

[Klodovik]

crat VS crat duels actually require some skill.

I thought it's all about lucky pet proc or lucky stun proc, whatever comes first.

[Avari]

There's a reason I haven't finished my LE research yet either - it'll come one day though... raiding stuff will eventually ding me LE70

The Doctor pistols was a nice try to give us an alternative to AS, but AS still out performs it in PvP, so it's one or the other as it's always been... PvM or PvP.

[Pafpuf]

crat VS crat duels actually require some skill.

His pets hit a few times, he pressed dimach and he won, oh lawd the skill.

[flyinguns]

There's a reason I haven't finished my LE research yet either - it'll come one day though... raiding stuff will eventually ding me LE70

The Doctor pistols was a nice try to give us an alternative to AS, but AS still out performs it in PvP, so it's one or the other as it's always been... PvM or PvP.

Outch,

Doc never needed AS , they have the better and if not the better one of the greatest defence of this game .

Giving as to doc i like giving a bazzoka to an enforcer , he doesn't need it

As is a ****, stop arguing like it's the only viable pvp attack atm. many doc can be good in pvp nowadays .

As is just an attack Fc used to make the ppl who whined for age, a bit stronger in pvp without any work ! but in the end it's just destroying pvp cause that don't resolve their problems.(poor agent )

so no, Pistols are not an alternative to as , it's jsut a way to be able to pvp that all

[Lupusceleri]

flyinguns, who are you?

A sissy hiding behind his forum account?

[Stillian]

His pets hit a few times, he pressed dimach and he won, oh lawd the skill.

If his attack was so pathetic... why did you die to it?

[IHaveHugeNick]

Dueling ingame to sort forum disagreements ftw, now i understand why no one wants to duel me.

[crattey]

Dueling ingame to sort forum disagreements ftw, now i understand why no one wants to duel me.

Because of the smell?

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA*


















*Sup?

[Klodovik]

Dueling ingame to sort forum disagreements ftw, now i understand why no one wants to duel me.

Because, you losing the forum fight is good enough for us?

[Sterva]

Im going to firstly refer to the edit i just did in my last post (so Sterva doesn't miss it :P)

And yes we would all love to have other choises but as i often say when i argue with certain people from another political ideology then me: "You cant create laws after how you think that society should be while ignoring the way it is."

Ie: You cant make employment laws ignoring sexual discrimination only because you think that people shouldn't be discriminated because of there gender when they in fact are.

Or: You cant give crats a AS pistol ignoring the fact that everyone else have to make choices on to PvP or PvM just because you don't think people should have to make that choice. (Temporary ignoring the fact that it would be somewhat OP..)

If PvM vs PvP equips being removed is your main concern then you should make that in to a general game suggestion referring to all professions with a concrete laydown on what that needs to be given to or removed on all of them to make a complete structural rework of the entire equip systems thats currently in place based on PvP vs PvM.

Was that intelligent enough for you Sterva?

Your logic here isn't bad at all, except that it doesn't apply to what I
saying. Crats already have to make the kinds of choices you're talking about when it comes to ip distribution, perks, and most other equipment, and that wouldn't change if we got a crat pvp pistol. Professions should NOT have to choose between being good in pvp or good in pvm--having to sacrifice loads of pvm damage to use bizarre weapon choices clearly isn't how it should work or how it does work for most professions.

[Gunfytr]

I'm not proof that anything is OP--just that some people blow at pvp.

/Reset credibility ==> 0

[crattey]

Basically... the core of the issue is as follows:

We're using pre-SL weaponry that - a) reduces our PvM damage to cirtually zero, b) we have no support for whatsoever and c) is a huge drain on IP and equipment slots - only because FC has never gotten around to designing a functional PvP toolset for crats.

There's assloads of fixes. Tigress, for example.. not bad in PvM, works for PvP.

They tried with the remod for engis, except they you know, failed horribly..

They can toss us whatever weapon they want, as long as it either fits our current support options, or they add the missing support in the same patch.

[Klodovik]

We're using pre-SL weaponry that - a) reduces our PvM damage to cirtually zero, b) we have no support for whatsoever and c) is a huge drain on IP and equipment slots - only because FC has never gotten around to designing a functional PvP toolset for crats.

Ah. Good old MP days.

[Molotoff]

Pfff can you deal over 600k DPM on a mob ? Because pvm crats can

So, a PvM crat can reach 600k DPM. What is the part of the weapons here ? And what can a PvP crat do in the same conditions ? And what are those conditions ?

Honestly, when i read this kind of number, i am not sure crats need a weapon powerful both in PvP and PvM. I would think their PvP weapon good enough in PvM to be wanted in team, even if we consider 50% of the 600k DPM come from the weapons.

[Rktim]

Ok look, ima be as nice and understanding as i can when i say the following:

Crats (and all other support proofs) should just stfu and go sit in a corner ok?
Why?
Theres so many debuffs, snares, roots and stuns flying around in PvP that the non support profs are next to useless today because its kinda hard to actually be a fighting class when your so debuffed after 5 sec of mass PvP that not even a whole raid force of docs can keep you alive....

No really its just plain stupid now... I would be the first to agree to double my subscription fee if they moved all support profs to Rk2 and all fighting proffs to Rk1 mkay? (That would be.... MPs, Crats, Docs, Agents, NTs, traders and engineers over to Rk2, the rest to Rk1)

And you could all run around and heal and debuff and stun eachuter all you want and fulfill your sick desires and the fighting profs could actually fight for once...

Jesus Christ... Even if i by some miracle don't have ether UBT or NSD or Stuns on me so i actually mange to get AMS up then some 7 year old with one button on his hotbar will come running by and rip/steal/pirce it within seconds...

So stop bitching about your dmg output, your already making the game next to unplayable for the rest of us! Even if i maxed out on NR, Blind resist and god knows what else i would still be out of the game for 60% of the time...

And yes that was me being as nice as possible.

If you really want a AS pistol because you dont want to use a old pre SL weapon then fine, guess what, using old out dates weapons is the price you pay for all your retarded debuffs ok?

And... wtf... With 3.25k AR i think i should atleast be able to hit some random FA on a crat atleast SOMETIMES but nooooooo...

tards <.<

*tries to hit his flame sheild but fumbles becouse his blindend, gets up and tries again, damn i cant my nano skills aint high enough! *waits afew sec and tries again* Omg now its taking 2h to activate... geeeeeeees... wait.. wtf i cant move! At all! Crap im stunned! Ok its gone... yay sheild up! Wait... GOD DAMNIT someone stole it! *tries to run after only to realize his stuck to the ground* crap! *shoots afte the guy that stole it only to realize that the guy outheals all his dmg in less then 1 sec* wtf now? another stun??!?!? GAH! Alt f4x2 >.<*

And heres the kicker: There will actually be even more soon!

Thankfully i hope the artifacts from the booster will able able to help us deal with this crap

[sultryvoltron]

So, a PvM crat can reach 600k DPM. What is the part of the weapons here ? And what can a PvP crat do in the same conditions ? And what are those conditions ?

Honestly, when i read this kind of number, i am not sure crats need a weapon powerful both in PvP and PvM. I would think their PvP weapon good enough in PvM to be wanted in team, even if we consider 50% of the 600k DPM come from the weapons.

This is a pretty solid point.

Your logic here isn't bad at all, except that it doesn't apply to what I
saying. Crats already have to make the kinds of choices you're talking about when it comes to ip distribution, perks, and most other equipment, and that wouldn't change if we got a crat pvp pistol. Professions should NOT have to choose between being good in pvp or good in pvm--having to sacrifice loads of pvm damage to use bizarre weapon choices clearly isn't how it should work or how it does work for most professions.

Every profession has to make choices for PvM vs PvP. Sadly, agents are suffering from the exact inverse symptoms that face crats. Namely, Agents have a decent pvp weapon (any AS rifle is really decent for an agent because they have no problem capping AS in speed and damage) but are HORRIBLY lacking in a PvM weapon (read: one with a large crit modifier). Agent DD perks are slow, agent's can only AS once per mob, so the majority of agent damage comes from crits. That being said, in a PURE crit setup, which should maximize pvm damage, an agent (a pure artillery profession) will still fall drastically short of PvM setup crats (a support profession). Some agents have chosen to use a ql 300 ofab tiger mk 6 to maximize PvM damage, but then they suck somethin awful in PvP.

So, in general, almost every profession is lacking in some area. Be it a modern and supported PvM setup, or a modern and supported PvP setup. The symptoms that you describe are not unique to crats, and are part of the game. You sort of learn to live with them, because so far FC has not supported changes to eliminate these choices from the game. You choose one, or the other. You have clearly made your choice, and now must live with those consequences.

P.S. I kinda agree with the others who have said that FC will never make an AS pistol.

[Koizumi]

Atm,

you're just humiliating yourself XD

Tbh, ppl here just seeing YOU humiliating urself.

The case here is very simple - same as Fixers and Engineers, Crats simply DO NOT have a modern supported weapon choice that would be effective both in PvP and PvM.

Yus, but engis at least got a better support for their weapon choices, right?
Baff/perkline for pistols, perkline for shotty, perklines for grenades(), buffs/perklines for remod.
Afaik, Bow aint even in CoLA, so we get 1 buff and 1 perkline as a whole :<

Anyway, gimme the same remod but crat-only version with lower req's so i can swap it easily on blz :S

[Gunfytr]

Ok look, ima be as nice and understanding as i can when i say the following:

Crats (and all other support proofs) should just stfu and go sit in a corner ok?
Why?
Theres so many debuffs, snares, roots and stuns flying around in PvP that the non support profs are next to useless today because its kinda hard to actually be a fighting class when your so debuffed after 5 sec of mass PvP that not even a whole raid force of docs can keep you alive....

No really its just plain stupid now... I would be the first to agree to double my subscription fee if they moved all support profs to Rk2 and all fighting proffs to Rk1 mkay? (That would be.... MPs, Crats, Docs, Agents, NTs, traders and engineers over to Rk2, the rest to Rk1)

And you could all run around and heal and debuff and stun eachuter all you want and fulfill your sick desires and the fighting profs could actually fight for once...

Jesus Christ... Even if i by some miracle don't have ether UBT or NSD or Stuns on me so i actually mange to get AMS up then some 7 year old with one button on his hotbar will come running by and rip/steal/pirce it within seconds...

So stop bitching about your dmg output, your already making the game next to unplayable for the rest of us! Even if i maxed out on NR, Blind resist and god knows what else i would still be out of the game for 60% of the time...

And yes that was me being as nice as possible.

If you really want a AS pistol because you dont want to use a old pre SL weapon then fine, guess what, using old out dates weapons is the price you pay for all your retarded debuffs ok?

And... wtf... With 3.25k AR i think i should atleast be able to hit some random FA on a crat atleast SOMETIMES but nooooooo...

tards <.<

*tries to hit his flame sheild but fumbles becouse his blindend, gets up and tries again, damn i cant my nano skills aint high enough! *waits afew sec and tries again* Omg now its taking 2h to activate... geeeeeeees... wait.. wtf i cant move! At all! Crap im stunned! Ok its gone... yay sheild up! Wait... GOD DAMNIT someone stole it! *tries to run after only to realize his stuck to the ground* crap! *shoots afte the guy that stole it only to realize that the guy outheals all his dmg in less then 1 sec* wtf now? another stun??!?!? GAH! Alt f4x2 >.<*

And heres the kicker: There will actually be even more soon!

Thankfully i hope the artifacts from the booster will able able to help us deal with this crap

This

stop whining