AI30 Hate

[rapp3d]

no one forces anyone to get those nanos. you want the nano, you do the quest, do the grind, do the raid, wait for your loot etc. if you dont want this, then dont want the nano. you were just fine without them werent ya?

now we all wants the nanos , but doing quest with doing raid and with doing grind is big difference m8. i was happy to do informant line for db nanos and done it dozens of times with friends to help and org and etc, now grinding for days apf from where i left long time ago happy and promised never get back all over again... thats a little different from *raid* or *quest*, no?

[Koizumi]

You got AI30 the old way AND YOU WHINE ABOUT A FEW HRS OF GRIND?????

[rapp3d]

You got AI30 the old way AND YOU WHINE ABOUT A FEW HRS OF GRIND?????

hours - no :P hours everyday for few days - yes, and for what? NANOS?! HELL YES!

[Koizumi]

hours - no :P hours everyday for few days - yes, and for what? NANOS?! HELL YES!

Quit the QQ rapp, you're far above that
lazy ass!

And btw, with ur sk33lz and friends you can get these in 1 day
I mean, look @ DB nanos atm....people wait weeks to get a team :S

[rapp3d]

Quit the QQ rapp, you're far above that
lazy ass!

And btw, with ur sk33lz and friends you can get these in 1 day

yes but im not play this game alone, and some my ai30 fwends have same feeling about all that nanos, and i been just sad when ai30 orgfriend said after killing apf boss "Damn, im gonan end up with 100k+ kills before i get theese nanos" u know that just made me sad and mad >< and not only me

[Warhead]

Except noone goes to pande for the SK.

Yea smartypants, and now you're not going to APF for AXP - whats so hard to understand?

Dammit, there seems to be a vast concentration of idiocy at AI30... I wonder why that is.

[Berinda]

Step 1: Do the APF sector on a toon that needs AXP
Step 2: Win the loot roll
Step 3: Log the AI30 toon that needs the item, join the raid, and waltz into the APF sector
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit

Dammit, there seems to be a vast concentration of idiocy at AI30... I wonder why that is.

While there are quite a few smart people with AI30, the grind was so excruciating that only idiots who would stare at a can of orange juice bearing the word "concentrate" for hours could enjoy it.

[Rewo]

Yea smartypants, and now you're not going to APF for AXP - whats so hard to understand?

This.

[Dagget]

Step 1: Do the APF sector on a toon that needs AXP
Step 2: Win the loot roll
Step 3: Log the AI30 toon that needs the item, join the raid, and waltz into the APF sector
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit

Unless they changed things since Test, once you enter an APF instance,new ppl added are never able to enter that same instance:

Step 1: Make raid
Step 2: enter instance (instance is initiated and locked to the current members of that raidgroup)
Step 3: add person from lft
Step 4: new raid member steps into apf but finds themselves all alone in a private instance.

PPL who were in raid at time instance was initiated seem to be able to be back after an LD but cannot bring new ppl in at all.

w/o this mechanism would probably be big issues in 35 where the gens could be killed and assorted ppl get added to raid and waltz in to loot (28 and 13 got patrols to deal with so not so simple)

[Avari]

Unless they changed things since Test, once you enter an APF instance,new ppl added are never able to enter that same instance:

Step 1: Make raid
Step 2: enter instance (instance is initiated and locked to the current members of that raidgroup)
Step 3: add person from lft
Step 4: new raid member steps into apf but finds themselves all alone in a private instance.

PPL who were in raid at time instance was initiated seem to be able to be back after an LD but cannot bring new ppl in at all.

w/o this mechanism would probably be big issues in 35 where the gens could be killed and assorted ppl get added to raid and waltz in to loot (28 and 13 got patrols to deal with so not so simple)

I belive I experienced otherwise tonight. I added a member to raid after we'd started, and he was able to run us up.

[Dagget]

OK, tested on live - added ppl after triggering rookie and they got same instance. Only thing not yet tested is whether able to add ppl after gen dead and if they get same instance.

[MajorOutage]

Lockout begins when someone - anyone - attacks the boss.

[Hacre]

While there are quite a few smart people with AI30, the grind was so excruciating that only idiots who would stare at a can of orange juice bearing the word "concentrate" for hours could enjoy it.

/threadwon

[Doctorhyde]

Lockout begins when someone - anyone - attacks the boss.

Lockout begins under different circumstances I believe.

I know for a fact that lockout in 35 started when I started the mission. Boss hadn't even spawned when we got wiped on that run.

In 28 I think its on attacking the boss.

13 I'm guessing its when mission starts.

[Berinda]

13 I'm guessing its when mission starts.

No, we had some deaths during 13 and they came back in. Pretty sure it's when the boss dies, considering the people who died fenced.

[Doctorhyde]

No, we had some deaths during 13 and they came back in. Pretty sure it's when the boss dies, considering the people who died fenced.

Lockout doesn't work like that. As long as the raid is still going you can get back in. Our entire 13 wiped today just as the boss died and we all went back in to loot. What it does is prevent you from getting a new instance for the next 5 hours.

Meaning if your raid wipes or you leave it before the lockout hits, you can start a new one. But if, for instance, your raid wipes in 35 on the towers ... you're just stuck ... because by the time you get your team(s) back inside the towers are dead and the mission is screwed.

Its easy to check to see when it starts by regularly checking "/raid locks" to see when it pops up. That's why I knew when the 35 timer started.

[Kitesfear]

I know this is kinda silly, but yes, I agree with OP, and from even sillier reason: I kinda enjoy my Vindicator with Number of Invaders killed: 58556, and would like to keep it that way, just to distinguish myself from the LE noobs () with 70k+ kills for their AI28+.

Btw, I think I saw someone saying that the end results (Kyr nano boxes or whatever) were non-nodrop at test at some point at least. Anyone knows if it's the same with live, so I could farm the stuff with enfo and open 'em with solja? =P

[Khrystanna]

well my situation is like this:

my ma is ai30, the doc is 23 and the crat is 17ish i think.. anyway, ima get these upgrades on MA by asking a few friends to help me wtfpwn the gens while playing on MA, and in return we gonna redo the raids with me playin one of the other two toons... its common sense.

but for those that cannot do this... the current bots could be adapted to a roll b4 raid system... so every1 can chose the toon to play.

also consider that these sectors are easy.. doable in 1-2 teams

[Nanofox1]

I supposed people who are AI 30 should just walk into sector 42 and have Artillary Commander instantly pop also?

[Avari]

I supposed people who are AI 30 should just walk into sector 42 and have Artillary Commander instantly pop also?

On that note I look forward to our next 42 raid to see if the loot tables on side bosses have also been updated with the new nanos. I can imagine they aren't, but I'd honestly say, that I think they should. The bosses already are a copy of the original sectors, and they are tougher to kill in 42 than the original sectors too, and thus shouldn't yield less reward.