LE research actions

[sobeguy]

Well him gaining skills is purely client side. As he posted in his vanished thread (not me) it was fixed by zoning (that bugged something else tho :P)
Did you try to zone while the proc was running? maybe it would update correctly as drained then?

Also did you guys test this on live or the Test Server?

When I was testing the drains the other day both "worked".. well gave an effect anyway.. But drained me instead of the npc.

This was on live, just after servers came up from the patch.

I didn't zone while the debuff showed in my ncu.

Its possible that I actually was debuffed, while my skills showed higher than normal. I don't think I was debuffed at any time though, since I didn't find any actions I can normally do unbuffed that I couldn't do with -136 in my NCU. Neither did I actually get buffed - I wasn't able to do things that my skill window said I had plenty of skill to do - equip a salabim or cast AP.

The procs draining you instead of your target is the same behavior they always had. We can look at this as a step in the right direction, since they at least stopped nerfing us into oblivion . .. but this isn't exactly the kind of positive change I'm looking for!

[Zx9256]

The procs draining you instead of your target is the same behavior they always had.

Actually I noticed one change in my testings; before the "patch" the debuff on self only happened the frist time it proced on any given mob. After now I get an additional cumulative debuff each time I hit the mob. Of course I only tested this vs a guard, might behave differently vs players.

[sobeguy]

You know, you're right. They did have different behavior pvp vs pvm. With the new patch, I haven't tried them pvm, and just assumed they weren't debuffing the trader any more. Maybe they are?

pre 17.0.3, in pvp it did not debuff the trader, but debuffed his target repeatedly. That of course they had to fix in such a hurry, they changed the stacking debuff into a stacking buff. Since thats oh so much more fair! *edit: this is what it did in pvp, not pvm. In pvm, it was debuffing the trader repeatedly - who knows if it was debuffing the mob? No way for us to tell*

[Zx9256]

Hmm, well I only tested vs mobs (a guard), and both before and after patch I have been debuffed myself, only with the difference after this last patch that i get debuffed more often.

[varrus]

I have tested Payment Plan and Unforgiven Debts on Testlive today. They seem to have been fixed. At least buffing part works fine. Not sure if I debuffed the mob I was fighitng though, this will require a pvp test with someone. Well, anyway, I was getting an icon in my NCU window from time to time looking exactly like our drain icons. I was also getting the corresponding increase in nano and weapon skills in my skill window (+9 for Payment Plan, + 136 for Unforgiven Debts) .

To make sure the effect was not purely visual one, I tried to cast nanos which I could not cast w/o the bonus from these actions. And it worked for both of them. Payment plan was tested with my little level 36 trader who is a testlive native. He was a couple points short of the TS required to cast his next ransack. Once the proc fired, he was able to cast it.

Unforgiven Debts was tested with my 220 who had been transferred to test. same story. With the proc running, could cast nanos I can't normally cast on Test self-buffed.

So at least this line of procs seems to be fixed.

[Zx9256]

Well I am now become as pessimistic as some of the old misers here ( ), so I am certain they are fully capable of ruining something on the way to live even if it works on test. But it would be nice of them to get it fixed...

[Axela]

I have tested Payment Plan and Unforgiven Debts on Testlive today. They seem to have been fixed. At least buffing part works fine. Not sure if I debuffed the mob I was fighitng though, this will require a pvp test with someone. Well, anyway, I was getting an icon in my NCU window from time to time looking exactly like our drain icons. I was also getting the corresponding increase in nano and weapon skills in my skill window (+9 for Payment Plan, + 136 for Unforgiven Debts) .

To make sure the effect was not purely visual one, I tried to cast nanos which I could not cast w/o the bonus from these actions. And it worked for both of them. Payment plan was tested with my little level 36 trader who is a testlive native. He was a couple points short of the TS required to cast his next ransack. Once the proc fired, he was able to cast it.

Unforgiven Debts was tested with my 220 who had been transferred to test. same story. With the proc running, could cast nanos I can't normally cast on Test self-buffed.

So at least this line of procs seems to be fixed.

Now that is wierd. I had Unforgiven Debts proc running on both a NL Guard and on 2 players (inside shop). In PvP, I gain nothing nor see anything in my NCU, while like mentioned before, both buff and debuff seems to run on the target player. When hitting NL Guards, I had no ncu visuals as well but saw a drop in skills and AR. Because its behaving so wierd, I had not ran this in any teams, just to prevent any whinging and whining.

As far as I can see, the only working ones are the Nano and HP drains proc-lines. Glad though, because those lines are the ones I see myself using most often.

[Zx9256]

You did of course see he referred to tests done on the testserver?

[Axela]

OMG

Someone buy me a pair of reading glasses!!!

[Zx9256]

Version 17.0.4

- Trader personal research actions should now function correctly and buff the Trader as appropriate

I will restrain my enthusiasm until I see it with my own eyes...

[Marcelik]

I will restrain my enthusiasm until I see it with my own eyes...

Your self control is nothing short of astonishing

As for payment plan. I don't seem to get anything from it. At all. I know it has a 5% or so chance of actually running, but I went through an entire AI raid without it ticking once. Am I just unlucky?

[Trgeorge]

17.0.4.1. on test now
Perks drain target, unfortunatly they don't give anything back to trader (or/and team).

[Zx9256]

Meayh, that was what I figured.

[Obtena]

17.0.4.1. on test now
Perks drain target, unfortunatly they don't give anything back to trader (or/and team).

AMG FIXED!!!!

[Minge]

The drain proc Unforgiven Debts worked great for me, gave me 136 more weapon and nanoskill that stacked with my two regular drains. Not tested it in PvP so I don't know if it works on players lowering their skills.

[varrus]

17.0.4.1. on test now
Perks drain target, unfortunatly they don't give anything back to trader (or/and team).

You are talking about PvP I assume? The same thing seems to be happening on Live atm, these prks behave differently in PvM and PvP (Sobe's post gives more details)

[Trgeorge]

Well, there's no way to tell if they work as intended in PvM. But I don't get nothing out of runing those procs in PvM on live either. Can it be possible execution of them is somehow dependable on side?

[Whealer]

Ok just a theory here but could the reason people aren't see our procs tick have something to do with the NR of the targets. If I'm reading things correctly it looks like the proc itself can not be resisted however the debuff part of the procs have NR checks just like nanos and if the target resist the nano due to high NR then it would look like its not procing when it actually is. It also makes NR a means of negating procs if this is true also.

[Zx9256]

Well I landed the procs on a 220 NT, with pretty high NR. She was full agg, but I wasn't buffed or drained up either. She got the debuff for sure in the tests I did, and it was "real" debuffs, not just visual. I got no buff though.

[Sillanto]

I dont know if this is useful to you guys but i was junning round an ai ship (city raid) when i found the following hostile nano in my pets ncu

Payment Plan
NaCost: 1Duration: 00:01:00
Range: 26m
Speed:
Attack 2.00s
Recharge 2.00s
Attack skills: Time&Space 50% Psycho Modi 50% 
Defence skills: Nano Resist 100% 
Modifier:
Martial Arts 9
1h Blunt 9
1h Edged 9
Melee Ener. 9
2h Edged 9
Piercing 9
2h Blunt 9
Sharp Obj 9
Grenade 9
Heavy Weapons 9
Bow 9
Pistol 9
Rifle 9
MG / SMG 9
Shotgun 9
Assault Rif 9
Sensory Impr 9
Matt.Metam 9
Bio Metamor 9
Psycho Modi 9
Matter Crea 9
Time&Space 9
Ranged Ener 9
Add All Off 5

Requirements:
Use:

Psycho Modi from 36

Description: