For all the fools with a "legal-workaround" posting...

[__________Soulmartyr]

Ok, the fact that you haven't read or don't understand the Current EULA has been demonstrated as obvious (as well as your ignorance since you think Federal Law only believes Piracy as just illegal copies, do a search using the keywords "Digital Millenium Copyright Act" and become enlightened).

For all of you posting messages that you've tried the "legal-workaround" (that violates the CURRENT EULA, which I'm sure Funcom is keeping an eye on since a key-generator for NW is floating around) and are using the "legal-workaround":

THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM WHICH SHOWS YOUR PRIMARY CHARACTER'S NAME VIA YOUR ACCOUNT, CAN WE SAY DUH!

Imagine all of your accounts using this "legal-workaround", as simple light switches...

Soulmartyr

[Cz]

I've posted on the matter with having somebody else buy the game for you here.

On the matter of a CD key generator, please e-mail me any information you might have on this.

[AkodoReign]

I highly doubt a key generator would be out so quickly.. usualy takes 3-4 weeks for someone to break the number system... so we will throw that argument out..

Look Funcom probably supports this mesure as they have have had a huge public Relations hit due to the fact Digital Rivers is a POS company...

As CZ said.. at this point FC will not do anything to discourage freinds helping freinds to get NW cd... And im glad of this mekkeruni now can play with her freinds and me.

Now please if you have this generator post it so we can have you banned.. but since it don't exist go run and sit in a corner so the rest of us can play our game in peice. Thank you

peace out

[________Talion Atley]

lol Soulmartyr, looks like your points are rather thin right now. I wanna congratulate Funcom on apermitting the obvious, since there is illegal in having some body else buying NW for you and forward you the registration key, AS LONG AS ONLY ONE PERSON USES THE KEY.

So Soulmarty, stop your rampaing on the forums, you have been proven wrong, now go sit in corner and keep quite.

[__________Soulmartyr]

Originally posted by AkodoReign
I highly doubt a key generator would be out so quickly.. usualy takes 3-4 weeks for someone to break the number system... so we will throw that argument out..

Look Funcom probably supports this mesure as they have have had a huge public Relations hit due to the fact Digital Rivers is a POS company...

As CZ said.. at this point FC will not do anything to discourage freinds helping freinds to get NW cd... And im glad of this mekkeruni now can play with her freinds and me.

Now please if you have this generator post it so we can have you banned.. but since it don't exist go run and sit in a corner so the rest of us can play our game in peice. Thank you

peace out

Windows XP Standard was cracked in less than 18 hours.
Windows 98SE Key-Generator, on the Internet in less than 7 hours after release.

Perhaps you misinterpret my postings as whining and crying. For those of us who work Computer Security, the biggest threat to a Computer Software Firm/Company is Piracy and Crackers. This isn't to downplay the "legal-workaround" postings, but to inform folks that others haven't been so fortunate when caught with what they said were "legal-workarounds" (some have even lost their computers).

Soulmartyr

[AkodoReign]

Yea well I work IT in a casino. Kinda front line so to speak (more gambling goes on at night). So security is a high prioraty here as well.

But what funcom has said or CZ at least.. is that As long as 2 people are not trying to register the same number then ITs ok to do...

now as far as a random number generator... Those examples you gave were from groups of people who had already decided before the products went live, that they wanted to hack it. No one knew.. at least I didn't that it would be a key you entered into a form on a page.. I was under the impression you would install a small patch that enabled the features on your computer...

[__________Soulmartyr]

Originally posted by AkodoReign
[now as far as a random number generator... Those examples you gave were from groups of people who had already decided before the products went live, that they wanted to hack it. No one knew.. at least I didn't that it would be a key you entered into a form on a page.. I was under the impression you would install a small patch that enabled the features on your computer... [/B]

One of the GM's was talking about it in the "Vicinity" on the Beta Server and it was overheard. There was also a message a while back in the forums from a beta tester that mentioned it. That was last month.

Soulmartyr

[AkodoReign]

Ok ill concede the point that it could be done... but you'll have to concede the point that no one else gives a rats ass

[__________Soulmartyr]

Originally posted by AkodoReign
Ok ill concede the point that it could be done... but you'll have to concede the point that no one else gives a rats ass

This is true, at least to the point that Funcom and Digital River don't. Oh well, it maybe old-school thinking, but maybe launching on a day other than the busiest retail day of the year is a good game plan.

Soulmartyr

[Atremis]

If Funcom is smart, then the keys are checked against an internal database (like Verant does with EQ) so that any fake key would be rejected.

In that case, any key generator would be useless.

[MORB]

Except if it generates the same key as one of the boxes already manufactured, that would be in the database.

[Mercatura]

And sucks to be you if you buy a box that happens to have a key previously "stolen" with a generator.

I had to fight to play one of my own damn games right after it came out, logging in and staying logged in so the sh*theads with keygens couldn't log in on my key. The great part was the whole time everyone was claiming there was no warez keygen for it yet. (a few weeks later the company finally took action, and had a procedure where you could get a new key if you proved ownership)

Thieves suck.

Keygens DO get lucky.

[Tech]

Originally posted by Soulmartyr


Windows XP Standard was cracked in less than 18 hours.
Windows 98SE Key-Generator, on the Internet in less than 7 hours after release.

The Windows versions you talk about and NW got one essential difference on this matter, NW will check the key agains a remote database and not a local algorithm as windows do. Online games like this doesn't need an algorithm for key generation, the keys can be 100% random(or as random as a computer gets it). So unless someone have the random seed used when creating the keys(which is highly unlikely) no key generator can be created.

Also, if it is an algorithm that is used, the checks against it is on a remote computer. AFAIK the only way to check your key against the database/algorithm is to enter it in the form on the registration page. Creating a keygen without access to the binary that checks it will prove most difficult. And FC will be able to monitor attemps to crack it.

sil

[Centurion3]

Arent you speculating Silmaril? Or did you write the code? :P

[Tech]

Originally posted by Centurion3
Arent you speculating Silmaril? Or did you write the code? :P

Yes, specualting a bit, but there are also some facts there:

1. The check is against a remote database/algorithms (unless FC for some very strange reason included it on the disk)
2. They could have made random numbers
3. They can monitor attemps to crack it
4. Breaking an algorithm without the binary is hard.

But of course, I have no idea what they have done. For all I know, they could have the algorithm in the NW .readme

sil

[Centurion3]

or maybe the code 12345678901234567890 works, just like it did on some early windows version... hehehe *ho hum*