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Thread: Monthly Development Update - December 2015 (RIP 2015)

  1. #21
    I'd say lock the zone down.

    The point is give people a reason to play in that level range and not cruise through it on kite hill.
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  2. #22
    Just don't allow multilogging, problem partly solved (not counting those who log 6 different puters. Nerf heckling xp, maybe boost some quest xp and design quests so higher levels arn't much use.

  3. #23
    I, for one, am very thankful that an open world zone will, in fact, be open. If there's somethign very special, like uber phats, then lock those behind an instance (a new dungeon maybe?) with level locks. Or make them quest rewards and put upper level limits on being able to pull the quest. Problem solved. No need to close off parts of the open land of RK.

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  4. #24
    I'm all for the zone being open. I wonder if it might be best, however, to keep the zone level-locked for it's first month or 2, then remove the level-lock. That way for the initial rush it's all level-appropriate players.

  5. #25
    I originally thought that the zone should be open to all levels but now I've had time to think on it, I believe it would be more enjoyable to have it level locked.

    Leaving the zone open will just cause the majority of players to log 220s to complete the content, even I myself would most likely do this just to speed the process up. However playing this way would make the actual content of the zone redundant and make the player see the zone as just another area to speed through for loot rather than enjoying the experience with fellow players.

    So personally I think it should have stayed as level locked content.
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  6. #26
    I don't think locking the zone will solve any potential problems. Leveling toons, usually in somewhat ad hoc gear, will have a hard time competing with any well polished character. The difference between a 220 and a 150 twink, in terms of end result, will be negligible.

    If the goal is to avoid people pissing all over each other, make the good stuff instanced.

    Outside of that, it's just forcing people to play the way you want them to, which is disingenuous at best.
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  7. #27
    Any news on when the New Engine glitch that disabled /follow on mobs but not players is going to be addressed? I've all but given up playing my melee characters in frustration here.

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  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiuchus View Post
    Any news on when the New Engine glitch that disabled /follow on mobs but not players is going to be addressed? I've all but given up playing my melee characters in frustration here.
    This also makes the Shy Eremite! daily nearly impossible to complete since you can't even see the mob in order to follow it manually.

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  9. #29
    Well since 18.7 everyone got all the maps and upgrades.
    You can now see them on the playfield map.
    It's an inconvenience tho, and hopefully it's fixed this decade

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  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by muzzz View Post
    If the goal is to avoid people pissing all over each other, make the good stuff instanced.
    I only presume to speak for myself, and I suggested caution to avoid situations where a 220 drags their 100-150 toon through the content at the expense of teaming. If my 113 Engie can't team because all of the mobs are insta-splatted by a 220 who CBA to fight "someone their own size" then that playfield will disappoint me (and probably many others).

    And I think, in an MMO, it's ok to force players to team once in a while.
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  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorathon View Post
    And I think, in an MMO, it's ok to force players to team once in a while.
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  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorathon View Post
    I only presume to speak for myself, and I suggested caution to avoid situations where a 220 drags their 100-150 toon through the content at the expense of teaming. If my 113 Engie can't team because all of the mobs are insta-splatted by a 220 who CBA to fight "someone their own size" then that playfield will disappoint me (and probably many others).

    And I think, in an MMO, it's ok to force players to team once in a while.
    The first point I was trying to make was that level locking the zone will not solve these issues. It would just turn it into an outdoor ToTW or Biomare, where a well-made twink can make, or ruin, your day almost as fast as a 220 could. And even a low level player with more agro than intelligence can quickly make things unpleasant.

    People will always disagree about how to tackle content. That's why I tend to advocate instancing: so that different minded people can have their own little instance, and you and I can have our level-appropriate team instance.
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  13. #33

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  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Emma View Post
    I missed that change, sorry ... it should go back to being level locked. Otherwise it will be 220's taking their alts thru the quest content.
    First off, who cares if someone pulls an alt through the zone. Or better yet why would you care if a player runs it in a med suit with ql 50 imps on? That should have absolutely no bearing on your personal enjoyment of the new zone.

    If its a questline type of encounters then it will probably be a bunch of blue names that send you around the place anyway. If it is setup anything like bronto burger quests your alt is going to have to talk to each and every one anyway. With a minimum of kill 3-5 critters at each point the spawn times will probably be fast enough that it shouldnt matter if 220's are in there after the first week it is open.
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  15. #35
    Good level locked zones was a horrible addition to begin with. To a regular player it doesn't matter if its a 220 or a 190 twink, both are so far ahead of them they might as well be gods.

    And if its the twinks that are complaining, well that's just too bad, its the same thing your doing to regular players.

    Either way its not like there is enough players to have to worry about over camping past the first few days, its not like it was during release where you have dungeons spawning additional playfields as they were reaching their cap. All current level locks should just be removed, or bring back the old Playfield system, and make people over a certain level spawn in PF2, as the goal was never to actually make it so you couldn't get certain items/see certain content past a set level unless you make yet another character.
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  16. #36
    I think it's moreso because instead of using your 220 to railroad your alt from 90-160 on Hecklers, it'll just be doing this questline instead, probably multiple times. Then a routine will set in and it'll become just as mindless as hecklers was, albeit slightly less so. TOTW was always a shining example of forcing players to work together at low levels to get what they wanted from the place, whether it be XP or items, and while 60s did run through there often, the place had enough staying power that you didn't need it for just one quick jaunt of item-collecting.

    Sure, 160s can be powerful, but if the playfield is built for them then no 220 will be challenged one bit by whatever the questlines will throw at them anyway. If it's going to be a pinball "A -> B -> C" style a la Dark Ruins then...
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  17. #37
    I dunno, my original TOTW experience was my team of noobs usually not being able to OD the solo TOTW twink on GoT. And that was pre SL/AI weapons/armor/

    I later made one and its ridiculous. If a single twink can OD an entire team of normal geared new players leveling through the place and mindlessly destroy every boss then they might as well not even have a cap.

    I'm honestly more against denying higher levels access then anything, I don't care if they are in separate PF's. No content should no longer be accessible because you got too strong. Altaholics probably see no issue with it, but a player shouldn't have to make a dumb new character just to see lower level instances, not to mention the inability to get any nodrop items you missed unless they are added in some other outside location.
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  18. #38
    As it draws to a close, thanks for the 2015 content; looking forward to 2016 AO adventures.
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  19. #39
    just pls fix new engine, it's all I want.

  20. #40
    I have just one, single solitary Quality of Life request to make for this comming year.
    Mich, my old friend, I loved you like a brother, can you PLEASE put back all the crap you moved to ICC.
    Putting all the important waypoints in the game in to the same, laggy, visualy repulsive playfield makes no sense and my entire org atleast would be most gratefull if we where able to ignore the entire zone completely, forever.
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