18.7.0.24 - Updates and Concern Adressing!

[srompu]

Special attack AR is calculated as ([Weapon Attack Skill + Special Attack Skill] / 2) + AAO.
So yes, it will have an effect on whether the special attack lands or misses.
If your skill is diminished to 0, that means that Sneak Attack & Aimed Shot will have the lowest possible multiplier available only, so even though they will land the chance of any real damage is negligible, your Burst/Fling/Fast Attack will have a low chance of landing, Full Auto will not only have a low chance of landing, but also cap at 5 bullets (as that's the starting value on the number of rounds fired with FA), and Brawl will not have the potential for the increased stun chance % as well as the increased stun duration.

Imagine dimaching during it. 45 minute cooldown.

[Raggy]

Imagine dimaching during it. 45 minute cooldown.

"Rematch in 45mins?" - Every MA, Enf and Keeper.

[Wakizaka]

Imagine dimaching during it. 45 minute cooldown.

I got used to having a 1 hour Dimach recharge since 2005 when I rolled my Keeper Certainly not scared of a short 45 minute cooldown.
Also, not sure if recharge can go backwards when things like Dimach start at 30m for most profs, bar shades.

"Rematch in 45mins?" - Every MA, Enf and Keeper.

Not so much the MAs, with 8~9m Dimach at 220 at least

[srompu]

Well, if it resets the cooldown based on skill as well, MA Dimach might reset to the base recharge. Keepers would get 1.5 hours.
Same thing for AS; you'd drop to 40 seconds base CD and then add 50% to one minute. Huehuehuehue

Edit: My AS numbers are crap. Wtf am I smoking. Anyway, you get the idea.

[lufa1982]

All that's dandy, but none of it fixes a problem of drains being nerfed so much, that having additional preptime doesn't matter.

All it accomplishes is I'm going to die 4 seconds later. Which you know, wooohoo.

[Raggy]

I spoke to Michi regarding the durations of the drains and how they were impacting play.

Hello Raggy,

I've extended the durations of the drains a fair amount, compared to what they currently are on Testlive. P/D drains should last 60s in PvP and 120s in PvM. CP/IS should last 30s in PvP/PvM, with a 45s buff on the Trader. AC drains should still last 180s.

[lainbr]

Jumping the trader bandwagon to say 2 things basicaly: Traders need real TL7 drains (current ones are not that great); Traders need a real "Oh crap" button like all professions but Traders has right now at Testserver (the probably winner is Shutdown Skills having a longer duration).

*flies away majesticaly*

[Raggy]

Jumping the trader bandwagon to say 2 things basicaly: Traders need real TL7 drains (current ones are not that great); Traders need a real "Oh crap" button like all professions but Traders has right now at Testserver (the probably winner is Shutdown Skills having a longer duration).

*flies away majesticaly*

I think we'd all love both of those things, but I can see alot of people turning around and crying 'OP!' again because of it. I mean look at live now, people still complain about Drains at TL7 despite the fact that they havn't changed since LE came out, yet everyone got a huge power boost in LoX.

[lainbr]

I think we'd all love both of those things, but I can see alot of people turning around and crying 'OP!' again because of it. I mean look at live now, people still complain about Drains at TL7 despite the fact that they havn't changed since LE came out, yet everyone got a huge power boost in LoX.

:c Baseless complains? Since Traders are on botton on live? And not that greater on test? :/

[MrLysol]

I spoke to Michi regarding the durations of the drains and how they were impacting play.
Quote Originally Posted by Michizure
Hello Raggy,

I've extended the durations of the drains a fair amount, compared to what they currently are on Testlive. P/D drains should last 60s in PvP and 120s in PvM. CP/IS should last 30s in PvP/PvM, with a 45s buff on the Trader. AC drains should still last 180s.

Those times I can live with.

[McKnuckleSamwich]

Imo that's close but not quite there.

Realistically traders need longer durations on IS.

That's not "QQ everyone is killing me" that's from PVM. traders need to be able to:

1. boost defence as a priority and (CP should last at LEAST 45s but imo 3 minutes is better)
2. multiple mob drain rapidly so all mobs are debuffed (notably, if mobs are mezzable that's good too, but I was testing against aliens)
3. this is the mind-blower, but why on earth are skill drains even a thing in PVM... why would you ever do a skill drain in PVM unless the purpose was to skill up yourself.. but to have a longer duration in PVM... wtf is that? Skill drains don't even do anything in PVM.

[lufa1982]

I think we'd all love both of those things, but I can see alot of people turning around and crying 'OP!' again because of it. I mean look at live now, people still complain about Drains at TL7 despite the fact that they havn't changed since LE came out, yet everyone got a huge power boost in LoX.

What do you expect, people are still whining about Aimed Shot despite the fact HP has went up so much, even Agents don't always hit 30% cap.

Balance shifts in this game are spread over such long periods of time, they don't even put dent in people's opinions on what's actually overpowered.

Its especially amusing if you've played some MOBAs, where small patch featuring 10 point change to one ability can turn entire classes from trash-tier to WTF-Godlike.

[dritst]

What do you expect, people are still whining about Aimed Shot despite the fact HP has went up so much, even Agents don't always hit 30% cap.

Balance shifts in this game are spread over such long periods of time, they don't even put dent in people's opinions on what's actually overpowered.

Its especially amusing if you've played some MOBAs, where small patch featuring 10 point change to one ability can turn entire classes from trash-tier to WTF-Godlike.

quite amazing stuf for trader. I think we are the prof that will get the more nerf from 18.7

Drain last not enough
Proc drain nerfed
Silverback 1,6 s ----> woot most trader use Control ND (ND to counter the shield effect)
No def boost (most prof got one in AR -even MP WITH THE RIWHEN)
Shield kinda useless in this form (goes down too fast, GTH dont protect+ nanopool to 0 -even with hhab/rk nanodrain/genius 2 regain / Stim 200
ect ect ect


But we will get pets!!! -_-
Most Mish choice are pretty good for rebalance, except for trader. I think he should roll a trader on live to see a little how is trader life, and all those who are crying about "trader are OP" (TL7)

[Raggy]

quite amazing stuf for trader. I think we are the prof that will get the more nerf from 18.7

Drain last not enough
Proc drain nerfed
Silverback 1,6 s ----> woot most trader use Control ND (ND to counter the shield effect)
No def boost (most prof got one in AR -even MP WITH THE RIWHEN)
Shield kinda useless in this form (goes down too fast, GTH dont protect+ nanopool to 0 -even with hhab/rk nanodrain/genius 2 regain / Stim 200
ect ect ect


But we will get pets!!! -_-
Most Mish choice are pretty good for rebalance, except for trader. I think he should roll a trader on live to see a little how is trader life, and all those who are crying about "trader are OP" (TL7)

With the latest iteration of the TL Patches, our drains now last a reasonable amount of time in PvM so it's not flat out exhausting to play in PvM. We'll still need to have on eyeball on the debuff window while PvPing though.

Your list of concerns is absolutely valid though, currently we stand to be in a very... odd place come 18.7. Michi is well aware of this and is working to help alleviate some of these issues that we have all brought up.