Give Ranger 10 perk now!

[Ghostforce]

Common, this **** have been ignored for too long.

What are they afraid of, that we gonna be called "OP"?

[JustinSane4]

Sadly, the last we've heard is that perk changes aren't expected to come before the system changes... which will be after the NPE and Engine are done. I agree this should happen, and I'd even guess that the Devs would agree as well, but there are more things they've got that should be done than time to do them.

[lainbr]

To complete what Justin said: While we have some news about a small piece of System changes will come together with NPE (Its somewhere in one of the Monthly Letters - ._. dont make me reread walls of text to check which ones plz xD), nothing was said about perks besides thats they would do a huge rework compared to perk docs v1 (this was decided some months after NT nanodoc release, back in 2011)

To surm up: While Genele is busy with NPE, she cant really focus much on System changes. So we sorta chilling in meanwhile :x

[Ghostforce]

BUMP for this

If the dev's dont know what to do here they can just look here!

1. Move "Ranger" perkline to our prof perks and remove the AI requirement
2. Double the damage on the first 2 dd perks in this line
3. Remove the "bow spec" and add agents new "snipe shot" or Burst instead
4. Add SNARE proc to Tigress, the same as Dshark. Also give us root and snare LE procs

[Baby]

Gief.

[Difs]

mkay next patch

[Burgly]

BUMP for this

If the dev's dont know what to do here they can just look here!

1. Move "Ranger" perkline to our prof perks and remove the AI requirement
2. Double the damage on the first 2 dd perks in this line
3. Remove the "bow spec" and add agents new "snipe shot" or Burst instead
4. Add SNARE proc to Tigress, the same as Dshark. Also give us root and snare LE procs

OR! remove procs all together, because luck based **** sucks a**, and give us a low checking snare perk :S like 5%

[Valour]

agreed, its the line is given to us and is open to us allready, just cant perk past 6 is it? sad

[Difs]

mkay

[lainbr]

Wait untill they decide to touch perks :/ (Or pray Michi hears some of professional sugestions)

[Metafly7]

Still though, at this moment with just the ranger perkline wed manage like 2.7k AR, wed still need a bow buff ontop to make it any usefull to try to land our perks. Id say if they bring it out there they should combine it with something that atleast matches us up with for instance engineers and crats. Untill then i wouldnt bother

[Notcrattey]

With ranger line 200 MPs would be able to use alb arrows without as much sacrifice compared to a normal bow setup at that level.

[McKnuckleSamwich]

Not that it really matters...

But in a sort of standardized setup for ranged MA i.e. Ofab gloves, appropriate AS implants a scope, masterpiece aiming aid, and a decent selection of def huds and full CC/CSS even with MA's mediocre bow buff of supreme kyudo, we only get to around 3000 AR with everything perked.

As I recall, I couldn't even self the 300 tiger with all bow adding gear equipped, I still needed a 131 to get it on.

It's probably not all that relevant being a different prof and all, but I wanted to say that MA's and agents similarly suffer.

Bows in general have a really poor support set for the three profs who can use them. Further to this, getting enough AR to perk someone other than engineer or doctor is.............not possible.

I couldn't even perk enforcers when I played ranged. It was really tough. So, on one hand I sympathize that you guys don't even get access to ranger 10, but even more than that, F*ck ranger anyway. That whole perkline needs a complete revamp.

Imo Ranger 10 should give:

220 Bow,
80 fling,
80 AS,
220 bow spec attack,
for static modifiers.

This would at least bring the capability of using bow to at least the "you can use bow without shooting yourself in the f*cking face" level of sacrifice.

Then the perks need to be boosted as well. Obviously, being AI perks you lose out on either ConC, your professional line, or your alpha/beta line of choice which are all very significant losses.

So the perks need to make up for it, and imo, the perks need to be good enough that bow is actually a reasonable choice for both PVP and PVM.

The perks themselves are reasonable numerous for dmg perks, but the damage on them and checks are stupid as. Plus they are darkage with different dmg types and kinda meh dmg:

Best with clearsight: http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=252355 ok dmg, cold, plus 25s of 400 ranged init (useless though because 110% dodge range check.... )

Clearshot: a so-so perk, http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=252344 100% DR check (again kinda meh given how low bow skill all three users can get), and pretty low damage as well, paired with a 55s recharge (should be 25s-30s recharge), does chem dmg! ?!!!

And then you have Popshot: http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=252352 25s recharge = good. 100% check=bleh. and damage range is like who friggin thought up this crap?! will do 600 dmg with ranger 10 perked. Really really poor damage on this one. and of course, still more different damage with chem type.

So here's what these SHOULD look like:

Clearshot: 25s recharge lowish dmg perk with specialhit, ramping to about 1500ish base damage at 3k AR. check should be 100%bow vs. 50% DR, does dmg type of weap equipped, loads small snare on target -10RS/level, duration 15s

NEW PERK at 4 perks in line called Archer's focus:
Archer's Focus: 2s charge, 40s dur. 120s CD, on self add: 100 add dmg, 400 ranged init, 400 phys init, 100 aimed shot, 10 crit

Popshot: 2s charge, 55s recharge, larger damage specialhit, does dmg type of weap equipped, 100% bow vs 90% DR, loads on target "popshot"

Clearsight: if "popshot" running on target, load dot, 800dmg poison 10 hits, 2s interval, otherwise none. 8000-12000dmg in dmg type of weapon equipped, 56s recharge

These perks would be competitive with other perklines for doing DD in PVM and bring them up to a level consistent with the actual weapon inclusive of specials and DD capability.

[Metafly7]

This all sounds actually semi reasonable. Through this discussion here though and the recent negative experiences i had with pvping on life server im actually starting to think about what I claimed to never do, which is abandoning Bow all together. Maybe the pistol with its better AR and better perks is more fun to do. Only scared of the IP right now but it should be doable. Edit: Came to a different solution now gonna make a new toon for a new build moar Mps ftw