UNgimp Enforcer 1HB Perks. (PLZ!)

[Morthoseth]

Why are most ENFs 2he? Because it enables the press button/insta-gank reaver
perk line. As an ENF, I went 1HB because I wanted to be different than most and
have my taunt proc land more often - but 2HE has boosts 1hb does not (see:
Electro Gloves and X-11 towers, RBP, etc, etc..) on TOP of a vastly superior perk line. Bah I say!

As a 1hb ENF *VERY* unhappy w/1hb perks, I have this to suggest.



#1 Quick Bash: This is a low end perk, damage really isn't all that for 2he's first
one, either. At least it's not a big enough enough difference to matter so much.

Leaving as is = less work and demand.

#2 Crush Bone: Scale the inits, based on how many perks are invested and you
have a MFer of a perk. Dmage and DoT is weak for a Lv-anything, so have it scale.

At Blunt Mastery 5 you get:

Attacker [SpecialHit Health] Melee -291 .. -541
User Hit Health Melee -33 .. -33 5 hits, 6s delay
User Hit Health Melee -33 .. -33
User Modify Melee init -300
User Modify Ranged init -300
User Modify Physical init -300
User Modify Nano init -300
User Modify Run speed -400

By Blunt 10, it should scale to:

Attacker [SpecialHit Health] Melee -1791 .. -2041
User Hit Health Melee - .. -165 10 hits, 4s delay
User Hit Health Melee -165 .. -165
User Modify Melee init -1300 (200 per additional perk)
User Modify Ranged init -1300
User Modify Physical init -1300
User Modify Nano init -1300
User Modify Run speed -1400

Every 55 seconds, lasts 30? Would be VERY useful for PvM and PvP.

Now, #3 Bring the Pain: Not too shabby, but it seems more a PvM perk than
anything, to me. Maybe a hostile/friendly check before hitting players, but works
the same as mobs. Scale near but not over, as it's not AoE, Pain Lance. Say
2800-3800 dmg. MUCH lower recharge than it is now. Pain Lance is 45s and this is
2-1/2 minues?! WTF is that? 60-80 seconds at the VERY most. 2.5 minutes is insane.

Oh... and add a GD taunt to it, for 20k. ENFs, mongo.. AOE... taunt. You get it.

Finally, #4 Devestating Blow, my favorite I love to hate:

First of all, keep the 50% evade, but drop the bring the pain STUN req. That sucks,
and is a bit unfair to 1hb users considering 2he-ers just push a button and wham!
Damage is hardly devestating, so scale it close to SnD's collectively, perhaps a
wee bit less. Say one bulk hit for 4000-6000 with an equivalent 80 second recharge.

Not many would boohoo, as it'll actually obey the 40% rule.

Do that, and I may play my ENF a wee bit more. Whoever designed the 1hb perks
had their head way, WAY up in the clouds. Period. Equalize it the way I suggested
and it gets more of a PvM boost too, which is what 1hb is all about, IMO, more or less.

1HB perks blow at the moment, BIG boost please. Kthnxbye. <|8d

[Harios]

bump

[krumpfwild]

Been doing some tests with my lvl 220 enfo

2360 1hb skill 2560 AR

Borealis backyard
You hit 34-I Helper with nanobots for 1523 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.

Nascence - Level 6 mob
You hit Barking Chimera with nanobots for 1665 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.

RK - Lvl 180 dyna
You hit Talongash the Dark Flesh-tearer with nanobots for 822 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Talongash the Dark Flesh-tearer with nanobots for 709 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.
followed by 5 hits around 125 dmg each. (Crush Bone dot)

Ely lvl 167 Heckler
You hit Heckler of Elements with nanobots for 123 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Heckler of Elements with nanobots for 709 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.
followed by 5 hits around 125 dmg each. (Crush Bone dot)

Inferno outdoor lvl 195 Malah-dren
You hit Malah-Dren with nanobots for 123 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Malah-Dren with nanobots for 709 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.
followed by 5 hits around 125 dmg each. (Crush Bone dot)

Inferno outdoor lvl 200 Somphos Logee
You hit Somphos Logee with nanobots for 152 points of melee damage. <-- i'm surprised here !
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Somphos Logee with nanobots for 709 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.
followed by 5 hits around 125 dmg each. (Crush Bone dot)

Inferno outdoor lvl 230 heckler
You hit Heckler of Harmony with nanobots for 123 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Heckler of Harmony with nanobots for 709 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.
followed by 5 hits around 125 dmg each. (Crush Bone dot)


If anyone could confirm or deny these results, i'll be glad.
Sorry for not testing "Bring the pain"... but 2min20 recharge is more time than i need to travel from Ely to Inf... & since like 70% of time the stun doesn't land on fighting target, i can't use "Devastating Blow"..

Now, what make you folks think we need 1hb love ? My team mates always get a good laugh when i copy/paste the perk damage in team chat !

So FC, please dont give 1hb love, just nerf 2he perkline

[harkness]

I'm very happy that the Edge of Tarasque line got an upgrade, but unfortunately it means that 2he enf has just that extra edge over 1hb. It used to be that because of the double hit, 1hb was a better PvM taunter, but now because of the extra damage 2he is better in both PvM and PvP, which leaves 1hb as a poor second choice.

These are some very good thoughts on reworking the perk lines to make them an option - not overpowered, just a reasonable alternative to 2he.

[Shrubberyman]

Btw, with next patch fixing the way AoE effects work, I guess Bring the Pain will now check vs everyone evades instead of just the main target's. Incoming 1hb nerf?

[Graftmage]

Btw, with next patch fixing the way AoE effects work, I guess Bring the Pain will now check vs everyone evades instead of just the main target's. Incoming 1hb nerf?

Currently, it doesnt check evades at all, due to (probably) AoE checks are not applied to perks, like they are not applied to nanos.

[Vgman01]

If 2he is supposed to be the best for enf's why the hell do you still get 1hb/2hb starter weps ><

Bump for new 1hb/2hb perks

On a side note upping the dd on 1hb perks will bump up 1hb mp's a little wich is probably why the line is nerfed :/

[Gatester]

Well I already made the switch to 2he with a 1he hotswap for perk firing

Only one reason i can see FC still not improving 1hb line and thats because it can be coupled with the 1he line. The bring the pain perk is imho overpowered for pvp use since i can perk a fixer with DoF and Limber running using top twinked setup using that perk, and then ofc everyone else in the area feels it too. What makes it so useful in pvp though is 1he 1hb can add 6k free damage to alpha vs any prof the aoe stun lands on. Also with the AoE stun going in group situations, people in hiding are unhid without defense usually and docs won't be able to heal fast enough if you have proper timing.

1HB has crap as far as perks go, but it is the highest regular damage setup I believe even with Mongoose in offhand your regular damage should be higher than HEoT. Pvp though it is highly effective, and your 1hb AR is very nice and dual wielding allows more chances for procs to fire and other benefits.

Biggest support for 1HB getting a boost over 2he, 1hb is more ip investment, and should reflect that in some way. Getting harder and harder for an enf to go anything besides 2he and have proper IP for non cookie cutter setups.

[lugoman]

The 1hb blunt enfo is in dire need of some love. Split damage, more ip spent, crappy perks (that can hit the 30% cap if/when they do land) all make 1hb a bad choice. I mean, come on I cant use the fourth damage perk in 90% of the things I do. Just remove the stun req on devastating blow. It wont make 1hb overpowered as it would still probably be od'ed by 2he.

Bring the pain is also a problem. The recharge is just to long and since devastating blow requires bring the pain it means our main damage perk also has an effective long recharge. I can see where a short recharge might seem overpowered with the stun ability of bring the pain, so shorten the stun duration to 2s or make the 4s stun land 50% of the time. Or drop the stun all together and make it land a 5s nsd or some kind of nano drain.

You upgraded EOT for 2he users and even changed it's damage type so it matches the perks. The least you can do is rework the 1hb perk lines. It is long overdue.

[Nanofox1]

2HB first.

[macattack]

yes to 2hb and 1hb!!!
Signed
Sealed
Delivered

[Vetusleet]

The 1hb blunt enfo is in dire need of some love. Split damage, more ip spent, crappy perks (that can hit the 30% cap if/when they do land) all make 1hb a bad choice. I mean, come on I cant use the fourth damage perk in 90% of the things I do. Just remove the stun req on devastating blow. It wont make 1hb overpowered as it would still probably be od'ed by 2he.

Bring the pain is also a problem. The recharge is just to long and since devastating blow requires bring the pain it means our main damage perk also has an effective long recharge. I can see where a short recharge might seem overpowered with the stun ability of bring the pain, so shorten the stun duration to 2s or make the 4s stun land 50% of the time. Or drop the stun all together and make it land a 5s nsd or some kind of nano drain.

I don't realy care about first two perks (Even if dmg is a bit depressing) but I agree with squadoosh.

Even if devastation blow stun lands (target is suroundedwith white thingy, dosen't move) BtP will still yawn about must have stunned running in 8 out of 10 cases :/
Currently the only use of BtP is takin place on hotbar and thats sad

[Voyvovoy]

2HB:

First of all 2HB need a new Weapon, wich beats all other on dmg-hit-output! 470-700 (650) <3

Hammer and Anvil
Need a reduct recharge time! From 2mins to 1m20s would be ok.

Seismic Smash
Same as HaA - reduct recharge time to 1m20s or 1m10s. And maybe improve the min damage on the aoe dmg:
Health 256-2472 MeleeAC
Ps: Still 3s attacktime on it - so wouldnt be op ;-o

Pulverize
Need a dmg improve - ar based to not make it op at low lvl

1HB:

All 1HB DD perks deal min damage!! Even on green mobs.
Example on Level 1 Leets: \o/

Quick Cut 1HE 2# perk - 25s recharge
You successfully perform a Quick Cut attack.
You hit Leet with nanobots for 2553 points of melee damage.

Quick Bash 1HB 3# perk - 35s recharge
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Leet with nanobots for 161 points of melee damage.

Same for all other perks include the aoe dmg!

Bring the Pain
First of all! It need a recharge reduct. From 2m20s to 1m30s~

Devastating Blow - Combo attack from Bring the Pain (need BtP stun runing)
PVE lub: Just make it like the 1he line:

User 	Wielded weapons 	not & 1HB Edged 	and
User 	Affected by Bring the Pain 	running

There is alredy a Affected by Bring the Pain on BtP so fc have just to change 1 perk ;-O


First priority for me is all the min dmg fixes on 1HB and 2HB!!!

And yea BtP is buged definite!

[lugoman]

bamp

[krumpfwild]

still 220 enfo (PvM only) with 2360 1hb & 2560 AR
i'm not using challenger nano or proc for these tests

i've also removed Crush Bone dots from these dmg reports, anyway it always do 124 dmg as described here (quite low dmg for a lvl 220) sometimes the first hit is 133 dmg \0/

	lvl 104 Anun - RK
You hit Anun Cleaver with nanobots for 1358 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Anun Cleaver with nanobots for 1434 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.


	lvl 170 borg
You hit Cyborg Captain with nanobots for 150 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Cyborg Captain with nanobots for 1979 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.


	lvl 180 borg
You hit Cyborg Lieutenant Colonel with nanobots for 539 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Cyborg Lieutenant Colonel with nanobots for 2174 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.
You successfully perform a Bring the Pain attack.
You hit Cyborg Lieutenant Colonel with nanobots for 2016 points of melee damage.  
You hit Cyborg Lieutenant Colonel with nanobots for 5956 points of melee damage.  
You successfully perform a Devastating Blow attack.


	lvl 184 borg
You hit Cyborg Colonel with nanobots for 856 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Cyborg Colonel with nanobots for 1050 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.
You successfully perform a Bring the Pain attack.
You hit Cyborg Colonel with nanobots for 1354 points of melee damage.
You hit Cyborg Colonel with nanobots for 6715 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Devastating Blow attack.


	lvl 186 PW Dyna
You hit Bloodslash the Frenzied Slaughterer with nanobots for 494 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Bloodslash the Frenzied Slaughterer with nanobots for 2323 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.
You successfully perform a Bring the Pain attack.
You hit Bloodslash the Frenzied Slaughterer with nanobots for 3035 points of melee damage.
You must recently have Stunned running!								<-- no BtP stun means no DB

You hit Bloodslash the Frenzied Slaughterer with nanobots for 123 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Bloodslash the Frenzied Slaughterer with nanobots for 2202 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.


	lvl 200 PW dyna
You hit Devastator Zshiab of the Fathomless Hive with nanobots for 641 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Devastator Zshiab of the Fathomless Hive with nanobots for 1654 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.
You successfully perform a Bring the Pain attack.
You hit Devastator Zshiab of the Fathomless Hive with nanobots for 2818 points of melee damage.
You must recently have Stunned running!								<--- no BtP stun again



	lvl 202 PW dyna 
You hit Violator Xhaw the Brood Master with nanobots for 1235 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Violator Xhaw the Brood Master with nanobots for 1420 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.
You successfully perform a Bring the Pain attack.
You hit Violator Xhaw the Brood Master with nanobots for 1999 points of melee damage.
You must recently have Stunned running!								<--- seems BtP stun never lands on boss/dynas

You hit Violator Xhaw the Brood Master with nanobots for 285 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Violator Xhaw the Brood Master with nanobots for 710 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.


	Masked commando lvl 250
You hit Masked Commando with nanobots for 123 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Masked Commando with nanobots for 1163 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.
You successfully perform a Bring the Pain attack.
You hit Masked Commando with nanobots for 2337 points of melee damage.
You hit Masked Commando with nanobots for 3342 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Devastating Blow attack.

You hit Masked Commando with nanobots for 649 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Masked Commando with nanobots for 710 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.
You successfully perform a Bring the Pain attack.
You hit Masked Commando with nanobots for 1963 points of melee damage.
You hit Masked Commando with nanobots for 3342 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Devastating Blow attack.

You hit Masked Commando with nanobots for 1035 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Masked Commando with nanobots for 944 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.

You hit Masked Commando with nanobots for 123 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Masked Commando with nanobots for 1165 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.



	Muddy Dryad lvl 200 from Ado quest
You hit Muddy Dryad with nanobots for 123 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Muddy Dryad with nanobots for 926 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.
You successfully perform a Bring the Pain attack.
You hit Muddy Dryad with nanobots for 2558 points of melee damage.
You must recently have Stunned running!


	lvl 210 ado heck
You hit Heckler of Harmony with nanobots for 123 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Heckler of Harmony for 1649 points of chemical damage.
You hit Heckler of Harmony with nanobots for 708 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.
You successfully perform a Bring the Pain attack.
You hit Heckler of Harmony with nanobots for 1354 points of melee damage.
You hit Heckler of Harmony with nanobots for 4347 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Devastating Blow attack.


	lvl 160 Icy predator Pen outdoor
You hit Icy Predator with nanobots for 123 points of melee damage.		
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Icy Predator with nanobots for 1905 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.
You successfully perform a Bring the Pain attack.
You hit Icy Predator with nanobots for 1965 points of melee damage.
You must recently have Stunned running!						


	lvl 170 Frozen Rafter Pen outdoor
You hit Frozen Rafter with nanobots for 675 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Frozen Rafter with nanobots for 1954 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.
You successfully perform a Bring the Pain attack.
You hit Frozen Rafter with nanobots for 1354 points of melee damage.		<--- BtP didn't stun fighting target
You hit Frozen Rafter with nanobots for 1721 points of melee damage.		<--- while another close rafter got stunned
You must recently have Stunned running!						<--- still no BtP stun no DB


	lvl 135 spirit in Ado outdoor
You hit Cascading Spirit with nanobots for 123 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Cascading Spirit with nanobots for 954 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.


	lvl 211 Mortiig in inf outdoor
You hit Mortiig Predator with nanobots for 123 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Quick Bash attack.
You hit Mortiig Predator with nanobots for 708 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Crush bone attack.
You successfully perform a Bring the Pain attack.
You hit Mortiig Predator with nanobots for 1354 points of melee damage.
You hit Mortiig Predator with nanobots for 3341 points of melee damage.
You successfully perform a Devastating Blow attack.

on 19 Quick bash perks, 8 hits for mininal dmg (123) whatever the target is (see lvl 135 ado spirit & lvl 160 icy pred)
Crush Bone dot always land... and initial dmg from this attack is unconsistant (see lvl 202 PW dyna)
Bring the Pain & Devastating Blow : decent dmg on those, but since BtP stun is kinda random, landing DB is even more random...
As suggested in other threads, it would be nice to see its requirement change to "Affected by Bring the Pain" instead of stun and to reduce BtP recharge time (yes 2min20 is quite a long time).

Give luv to 1hb/2hb perklines ! Or nerf 2he one

[Troxxor]

Bump for blunt lub!

Thumbs up for the thorough testing btw, makes for interesting reading (hopefully helpful for the devs too )

[Vetusleet]

bumping this

[Gatester]

FC is listening, so i'm sure they will help out the blunt lines at some point. What I haven't seen, which we need more of, is some really strong ideas about what to do. I saw one post i think actually list possible new stats on the 1hb perks all the way through, right down to what a scaled inits/dot damage on crush bone should be. Lets get some ideas going so the hard part is out of the way and not just say lower recharge times or more damage.

Blunt is still a heavy regular damage choice and despite the HEoT insult to Dreadloch Bear Dread Bear and a Dread panther+ofab panther are hard to od without the us of perks.

Seriously though id love to be able to use Martial arts attacks with blunt weps

[Vgman01]

Bump again, Though I would prefer to see the op's post have the max - inits reduced to 1k instead of 1.3k being as either is amazingly devastating for pvp ESPECIALLY with that sort of duration/recharge.

Bump 1hb love

[krumpfwild]

Blunt ! er... bump ^^