Nm shades can survive Mr alpha sure, but they can kill what? You can reach pretty good ar, with time given, everykill Im sure you dont wanna swap a bunch of armor, and wait for apf proc to land, thats so much fun, its crazy. and by the time you do all that, you already got nailed by 4 aimed shots, Oh you have Nm coon? Enjoy my aimedshot hitting you for 10k, Yeah. but I mean for pvm they are wonderful.