Throwing skill finally has use?

**_________Rayfield...** · Oct 16th, 2002, 07:49:49

Aluminum Throwing Dagger

**______________Yazule** · Oct 16th, 2002, 08:16:55

yeah I saw it, dont look like much to me

**_________Rayfield...** · Oct 16th, 2002, 08:23:34

strange however the new throwing grenades don't require throwing skill? pure grenades and that's it. oh well...

**Bionitrous** · Oct 16th, 2002, 08:32:26

The grenades apparently aren't an AoE fragmentation attack. They get 'resisted' like nanos.

**DaveDread** · Oct 16th, 2002, 16:28:14

Hehe, I'm... how shall I put this... moderatly impressed.

Still, they might perform better in game then they look in the DB.
/me wanna get on test now.

**Bionitrous** · Oct 16th, 2002, 16:33:19

Well, I could get my Throwing skill up to around 780 without too much fuss using Shining and Bright clusters as I recall. In the midst of an implant change as it is right now. The Darts don't seem to do much damage, however. But, having not a single new thing to do or try for 50 levels, maybe I'll dump 3 levels into Sharp Objects.

This must be the 'love' for the MP. Give 'em something to do at 168 when you've been using the same Nuke for 40 levels and the same pet for 50.

**Centurion3** · Oct 16th, 2002, 17:21:15

Originally posted by Bionitrous
The grenades apparently aren't an AoE fragmentation attack. They get 'resisted' like nanos.

They get resisted? like... no, dont throw that thing at me!

**Epsilon3** · Oct 16th, 2002, 18:41:12

Originally posted by Centurion3

They get resisted? like... no, dont throw that thing at me!

LMAO!

Maybe the Mob's all learned some form of soccer and can just kick em back at you....

GOOOAAALLLL!

no?

**Centurion3** · Oct 16th, 2002, 18:45:40

well then shouldnt it do damage on the guy who threw it at you? But shouldnt the actual physical hit of the grenade do some damage anyway? like an headache or bruise or something..

**Bionitrous** · Oct 16th, 2002, 18:58:29

I think it's a limitation of the game engine. Kinda how MA specials are 'resisted' and the same with Fixer Cluster Bullets. I'm sure, they'll fix the message eventually to 'Your target ducked the grenade' or something.

Problem with grenades is that they are doing them wrong. There should be a check at about 25% of DuckEXp for the AoE attack (with reasonably low damage) and a second check for a direct hit on your target at about 60-75% of DuckExp for a single target damage with significant damage.

Assuming damage of 40-400 for a grenade:

You make one roll vs. your enemy's Duck skill for the fragmentation. You should have almost no chance of failing this role. It's made agains 25% of his Duck skill. A successful roll lays down a 40-100 AoE effect.

You then make a second roll to see if you mangled your intended target. This is made at a higher chance to miss and a higher range of damage. Check against 60% of his Duck skill and a successful roll adds an additional 40-100 pts of damage to your selected target only.

Point being, it should be almost impossible not to affect everyone in your target area at least a bit. The big question is whether you really sock it to who you are explicitly aiming at.

**RVWinkle** · Oct 16th, 2002, 19:14:15

Correct me if I'm wrong but the grenades have the same resist rate as the fixer cluster bullets but hit harder. At ql 200 one of them does 200-1000 damage. The recharge seems to be the same at 20 seconds but it causes aggro. That dagger seems to be more like a bad dot, 1-172 damage every 4 seconds.

**Xaielao** · Oct 16th, 2002, 19:41:08

WHERES MY NINJA STARS!!!!????

Low dmg, very fast, like real stars. maybe QL200 10-150(200) usable every 3 seconds.

**_________Rayfield...** · Oct 16th, 2002, 20:04:27

Originally posted by Fion
WHERES MY NINJA STARS!!!!????

Low dmg, very fast, like real stars. maybe QL200 10-150(200) usable every 3 seconds.

real shurikens have low dmg? not if u know how to use it. =P one can easily slice your finger off with one.

btw, bump for shurikens.

**Whiteboog** · Oct 16th, 2002, 21:39:52

Those thing look pretty cool, but id prefer it if they fixed the wen wens before doing this, it would make more sense really, the only bit confusing me is this

"Carry, Use, EAT!!, Stackable, ApplyOnHostile"

I hope this database is wrong because i dont want to end up eating my throwing knifes by accident.

**RVWinkle** · Oct 16th, 2002, 22:58:54

hmm...it's possible that wen-wen's were fixed. They're now Unique items and have onuse functions (not sure if that second part is new). Here's the ql 200 one:

RangeHit FightingTarget Health -55 -200
LockSkill Wearer RangedEnergy 15

**locomdenom** · Oct 17th, 2002, 01:03:56

Wen-wen were fixed.

They don't auto-operate, you have to trigger them.

**Lumin** · Oct 17th, 2002, 09:06:34

I find it a bit disturbing that you can eat that throwing dagger (looking on the use part of the DB)

**Centurion3** · Oct 17th, 2002, 13:14:19

Originally posted by Rayfield...
one can easily slice your finger off with one.

Easily might be pushing your luck... but sure, give them some throwing stars... kabump!

**_________Rayfield...** · Oct 18th, 2002, 03:37:31

Originally posted by Centurion3

Easily might be pushing your luck... but sure, give them some throwing stars... kabump!

^_^ me being stupid playing with playing cards...just a deck of bicycle poker cards. cut a gash 3 inches long and about 1/4 inch deep on my friend's arm. and that's just paper. he keeps reminding me about it by showing me the scar. that was a lotta spilled ketchup.

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