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Thread: Evades - How good should they be

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    Question Evades - How good should they be

    Hi there.

    I was wondering how good evades actually should be in PvP or in general.

    I happend more than once, that in a towefight I couldn´t hit my enemy with a singel bullet. 2min, 2 full auto, 6 burst, 50 shouts... not one hit. My chars are not sooo bad equiped, but a crat with aad aura and 20 levels more in full deff setup is an ... impossible... to hit enemy.

    Should it be that way?

    Evades should be good. No question. But its frustrating if someone plays in god mode. Even with only 1 in 3 bullets hitting the target its nearly impossible to get him down, but at least you have a chance.

    It was mentioned, that the run speed curve should be more normalised in future. I think it is a good idear if the evades vs attackrating cure is although more normalised.

    What do you think?

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    I think... just because some gimp 150 solper wearing crab can't hit a crat at a tower field by shouting at him doesn't mean that evades are OP.

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    There are crats I cant hit with 3600 AR selfed and solo. Just like there are NTs and Enfos I cant hit. How can they do that? Ya know, I've asked myself that very question.

    edit: And Im not a 150 sol in crab.
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    It is a bit complicated situation. If i.e. MA who has around 12khp is pretty much breakfast for any decent player if evades would not evade 75% of the hits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunfytr View Post
    There are crats I cant hit with 3600 AR selfed and solo. Just like there are NTs and Enfos I cant hit. How can they do that? Ya know, I've asked myself that very question.

    edit: And Im not a 150 sol in crab.

    Ive got more than 3600 evades + AAD on my crat that is pretty far from twinked.

    Add 100 from 12 man buff

    Add 1000 AAD for 1min 20 from CiB

    Add 3800 AAD for 17 sec from Dodge the blame

    if the crat uses his perks on your fight, it's pretty normal that you dont hit him.
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    like crats got so many other things besides evades for around 2 minutes anyways...

    the more fun it is in pvm, when you face some yellow - orange mob, pop your def perk and get hit thrugh 8k overall def...

    on Topic:

    Evades are working the way they are supposed to imo. They should be even tweaked a littel higher towards all the AR given out during the last years. At least as long as everyone and his mom got AS on their hands...

    There are enough sols on BS, that cap FA on me, even with Perks up.

    i got 1970 aad and 1800ish evades b4 berks and OSBs on my crat...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huminus View Post
    I couldn´t hit my enemy with a singel bullet. 2min, 2 full auto, 6 burst, 50 shouts... not one hit.
    Quote Originally Posted by ithacana View Post
    I think... just because some gimp 150 solper wearing crab can't hit a crat at a tower field by shouting at him doesn't mean that evades are OP.
    Shouts should always land.
    blah

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    You guys dont mind if save those posts, do you? Just for the "Crats are a 2nd class evade prof, and evades dont work anyway" crowd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunfytr View Post
    You guys dont mind if save those posts, do you? Just for the "Crats are a 2nd class evade prof, and evades dont work anyway" crowd.
    I'm not surprised that by soldier standards, this is an impressive post to you.

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    Why, Crattey, ur late..this thread is already a few hours old!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunfytr View Post
    Why, Crattey, ur late..
    I know.. best start calling that guy I was with last weekend

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huminus View Post
    What do you think?
    Use AS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crattey View Post
    I know.. best start calling that guy I was with last weekend
    Too much info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunfytr View Post
    Too much info.
    It was your dad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunfytr View Post
    You guys dont mind if save those posts, do you? Just for the "Crats are a 2nd class evade prof, and evades dont work anyway" crowd.
    90% of the crats dont ask for more evades, but ask for other damage mitigations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gridpain View Post
    90% of the crats dont ask for more evades, but ask for other damage mitigations.
    This man has it right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crattey View Post
    It was your dad.
    u mean his dadbrotheruncle! :P

    (sorry gunf, just had to make the joke)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunfytr View Post
    There are (...) NTs(...)I cant hit with 3600 AR selfed and solo... How can they do that? Ya know, I've asked myself that very question.
    Trox NT with WotA?
    12 men/DBs buffs?
    Crat/keepers aura?
    OSB like ILotP, ICRT...?
    Dazzle with lights in your NCUs?
    Blind landing (lol)?
    A combination of them?

    But with the exception of the very unlikely event where all those conditions would happen at the very same time, there's no way the NT can just evade everything you throw at him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrubberyman View Post
    Trox NT with WotA?
    12 men/DBs buffs?
    Crat/keepers aura?
    OSB like ILotP, ICRT...?
    Dazzle with lights in your NCUs?
    Blind landing (lol)?
    A combination of them?

    But with the exception of the very unlikely event where all those conditions would happen at the very same time, there's no way the NT can just evade everything you throw at him.
    Or he just pewpewed an NT with NS2 running.
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