Mas and Attack Rating

[ookamitr]

MA's dont need more AR
They need....

KAGEEE BUNSHINNN NO JUTSU !!!!!!!
and ...
RAASENGANNNNNNNN


That's all

rofl...

I must request Nano Crystal (Sharingan) plz for agents then

[Techtoxic]

So..... How come NecQQz didn't posted about his ubar skills and knowledge...

On topic:

Since Funcom decides to nerf AS, that will gimp MAs badly, since atm, when a MA pvps all he got is sa/as swap... and they are not capping that easy even though we got ****load of +Crit and +add dmg.
SA alone wont be enough to kill anyone ... dimach? thats debatable someone people use it, sometimes you cant because you need touch of sai fung.
MA needs to kill with his natural skills not with swaping 1 bazilions of weapons, alb arrows/tears etc....

Maybe we dont need more AR or by a small margin that could come from improving our nanos. But there is one thing that funcom really needs to fix: def check on our attacks.... if delirium would have at least 80% or why not even 50% since they are supposed to be used to get more AR in the first place right? THen all is fine ...

PS: Spare me with the land the attack on some green/pet then bla bla, thats just a band fix

PS2: Jekonam dont bother arguing on forums, its like trying to pee against the wind the more time you put into it the worse you get pwned.


Peace!

[Shrubberyman]

I don't think they are denying angevil his spot as top dog, I think they are saying that they don't want to set up the same way ange does, because they don't want to get raped in every situation other than a 1-1 encounter.

Ange is saying his setup is great for duels (evidently) and saying that it's ok for other PVP (arguable).

Somewhere there has been a miscommunication, and people are annoyed.

My point is that anyone discarding Ange's opinion on the basis that he's supposedly setup for that or that particular occurence, disregarding the fact his setup is obviously different in different occurences, is not doing himself a favor. Ange's experience (and success) in the different ways of pvp are testimony enough of the thoughts and insight he has in the general pvp field as far as his prof is concerned.

[Soliartist]

Appreciated. Jeko, it's not about time, since I already told ya, your (global) playtime does not matter much. It's more about the way you used it. I spent my in-game time PvPing when I hit TL7, even before, therefore I was only doing PvP after being bored of PvM (that I tried again when I hit 220, successfully). I'm part of the people who usually don't make the same mistakes, so I learned a lot, and more than that, a lot - pretty fast. And even after that, I kept on practising.

Otherwise, I found your accusations pretty much unfounded, again. I don't need to be around for people to know I have been in BS and around BS for a couple of "mass PvP" rounds & duels. If you don't know it, you were undoubtedly not there very often, as simple as that, I don't even need to discuss that. You may have knowledge, but you don't use it correctly, in my humble opinion. I've got both knowledge and practise, and that's what makes all the difference, sorry. Experience against serious PvPers. That is a concrete fact, no contest, nothing. Thus the "I played enaugh to know what's right from wrong" statement. Practise. Facts. Experience. No personal accusations based on delirious facts with delirious examples. I can be wrong of course, but I won't let you say that you're right if you cannot even make a single statement not based on your fantastic imagination. That's not for me, no personal stuff, it's for all of the MAs reading what we post.

Anyway, if you disagree, that's cool too ! Doesn't matter much to me, people here have a clear enaugh perception and common sense to know who likes to spead bullsh*it and who likes to base his points from something called knowledge and practise. I truly did underrate them by thinking I needed to prove you wrong, that was my only mistake. I apologize.

[Neon_1]

This thread is the prime example, why MA:s prolly will never, ever, get reasonable updates again.



Although its good entertainment, its useless, as the most of MA-related posts are nowadays. Everybody is so focused on either a) attacking somebody, because they are like "so wrong", or b) attack somebody, because they are "noober" than themselves. Great. And what crowns this all is the original poster, who´s post was worthless anyways. So great job guys, keep it going ! You actually make me miss Deniska/Neccoz/Bruce more and more every day =(

Oh, forgot that you should try to post something related to topic. So, ill add actually some informative stuff here, so you guys can start fighting off from that;
MA:s should get general AR boost, because unless you have top gear, you cant perk or hit reliably in pvp. This boost shouldnt be too big however, since it would make MA:s OP.

Okay, carry on peeps.

[Soliartist]

Then what would be your conception of "not too big" ?
Something that would first off boost a MA's AR remarkably when it's "low" and then scale to the MA's AR not to increase it too much when he starts to reach some kind of higher "AR template" ?

[Gunfytr]

Anything coming from an idiot that fscks NT that is peacefully kiting hecks @ hill

Off-topic, but IMHO, ganking a kiting NT should be made into an Olympic event. (More of a public service)

PS2: Jekonam dont bother arguing on forums, its like trying to pee against the wind the more time you put into it the worse you get pwned.

THIS however, definately gets a /win. (irl lol)

[Otinsainpas]

Numbers ? Something to justify your request ? Since your current 'argumentation' can also be used to prove that you don't need more AR.

it's not our job to supply numbers and schematics for how everything we want should work.

i think Buff MA is good and solid request.

[Jekonam]

Appreciated. Jeko, it's not about time, since I already told ya, your (global) playtime does not matter much.
It's more about the way you used it.

If it matters and someone has that playtime x3 the amount compared to you, what does it mean? Yes, you guessed right.

Otherwise, I found your accusations pretty much unfounded, again. I don't need to be around for people to know I have been in BS and around BS for a couple of "mass PvP" rounds & duels. If you don't know it, you were undoubtedly not there very often, as simple as that, I don't even need to discuss that. You may have knowledge, but you don't use it correctly, in my humble opinion. I've got both knowledge and practise, and that's what makes all the difference, sorry. Experience against serious PvPers. That is a concrete fact, no contest, nothing. Thus the "I played enaugh to know what's right from wrong" statement. Practise. Facts. Experience. No personal accusations based on delirious facts with delirious examples.

That does not disprove my argument in any way. We all have knowledge and experience, you are not the only one, that is a fact. So basically your "difference" is nowhere else than in your head. The fact that you tried to make difference without knowing other peoples experience, makes your statement worthless in the matter of truth.

Measuring the value of experience is totally dependant on the measurement system, which in this case is invented by you.

I can be wrong of course, but I won't let you say that you're right if you cannot even make a single statement not based on your fantastic imagination. That's not for me, no personal stuff, it's for all of the MAs reading what we post.

Absolutely correct. You can be wrong and my imagination is fantastic. No doubt about that.

Anyway, if you disagree, that's cool too ! Doesn't matter much to me, people here have a clear enaugh perception and common sense to know who likes to spead bullsh*it and who likes to base his points from something called knowledge and practise. I truly did underrate them by thinking I needed to prove you wrong, that was my only mistake. I apologize.

Yes, I disagree with you. If my simple logical comments are bullsh*t in your opinion, then your disneyland must be build of that very same bullsh*t.

Yes, you underestimated other people, but that was not all. You underperformed in attempt to step out from disneyland to a real world.

By now you have probably realized what has happened, and you will learn from it if you are the type of a player that you claim to be.

[Jekonam]

Off-topic, but IMHO, ganking a kiting NT should be made into an Olympic event. (More of a public service)

I have to agree with this one.

[Kinkstaah]

MA do not need more AR - People need to learn to play MA.

Seriously, MA has to be THE class that is swayed most by player ability. It stands to reason that there's only one or two epic MA's per server. These guys do fine. Get better if you have issues.

Asking for tons of more AR would make MA's absolutely OP. OP in the sense as why would you play an enf, keeper, shade, melee adv if you could play a MA with more AR?

You wouldn't. If anything, MA could use more runspeed, or perhaps a short term runspeed buff at a LOSS to evades. Seriously, try being perk dependent and trying to fight a MA. Try being a trader with a MA pounding on you..

It's all bad news.
MA's should stop giving up and just try harder, get better gear and realise the class can be a bit hard to play, or perhaps just try and keep in range.

MA's have, currently

1) AS
2) SA
3) Huge evades
4) Heals
5) Massive DPS, in addition to spike damage

Seriously, make it work. Quit bitching about (minor) holes in your defences and focus on what you're good at. Soldiers are pretty weak, have a lot of holes but they have learned to gtfo it and be devastating even if individually they arent that uber.

MA need to drink a long cold brisk glass of concrete and harden the **** up

[rapp3d]

thread full of fail MA's crying cuz they fail and one good MA trying to show them they wrong

getting boring after third page though

ppl that fail will allways QQ

dont bother tryign to help them Ange

[Soliartist]

Jekonam, I was trying to be soft with you so you could realize what you were doing. You most likely did not realize anything. Trying to tell me what's real from invented in this game. People know. What I meant is that I should never have spent time arguing with you, simply becauce you seem to be good enaugh to make all of your arguments against me nothing but wind. That what my only mistake, I didn't even need to argue what you were saying about both of our experience in this game in the first place, because you were only making a fool of yourself in the most perfect way.

Peace.

[Jekonam]

Jekonam, I was trying to be soft with you so you could realize what you were doing. You most likely did not realize anything. Trying to tell me what's real from invented in this game. People know. What I meant is that I should never have spent time arguing with you, simply becauce you seem to be good enaugh to make all of your arguments against me nothing but wind. That what my only mistake, I didn't even need to argue what you were saying about both of our experience in this game in the first place, because you were only making a fool of yourself in the most perfect way.

Peace.

The reasoning of a hamster strikes again! I guess thats your limit

[Soliartist]

Feel free to say whatever you want. I surely don't have anything to prove you when it comes to intelligence, don't worry.

Your limit is set between something like insanity and unfounded statement's love. It doesn't take any kind of reasoning to notice people already know whom can talk, and whom should not.

[monkier]

I really don't care about silly infighting. I just want to be able to hit fixers every once in a while.

[ragerayden]

if you try running around in an all ar setup you are going to get perked by (...) high ar crats

what !!!!!!!!

[Daggzz]

I just want to be able to hit fixers every once in a while.

Holy crap guess what, YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE.

[erozc]

"I want more AR because people are out of range" is what I read somewhere in this thread.

What?

[Weltall]

what !!!!!!!!

3200 AR, 80% perks, do the maths.