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    Compilation of material related to the upcoming graphics engine

    I'm creating a post here with links to all the videos and images that Funcom has produced which relate to the upcoming new graphics engine, along with the more significant reports from the AO Development team. At present, they are scattered around in dozens of threads on the main AO forums. I will try to collect all those links here in one informational post.

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    First up: The post by then-Game Director Silirrion (Craig Morrison, now Game Director for Age of Conan) that first mentions the new engine:

    June 27th, 2007
    Letter From the Director:
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/sho...d.php?t=498971

    Quote:

    "Next up, also looking to the long-term future of the game, I’d like to cover something that we have alluded to several times in the past and confirm that we are currently starting work on upgrading the rendering engine for the game.

    What does this mean? In effect it means that we will be bringing the game engine up to date with more modern graphics technology that will, amongst other things, allow us to utilize the power of modern graphics processors. It doesn’t mean that the game will suddenly look amazing different overnight, but it does mean that we will be able to utilize the more modern technology to improve performance and introduce new effects down the line.

    This is a long term project and it will most likely be next year before we are in a position to start to test the upgrade (as there is obviously a lot of work involved in such a process) but we wanted you all to know that the process is under way and our coders have started to work on the upgrade."

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    Christmas 2007
    The Original 'New Engine' Video:

    480p: http://cdn.funcom.com/ao/video/rende...ailer-480p.wmv
    720p: http://cdn.funcom.com/ao/video/rende...ailer-720p.wmv

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    October 3rd, 2008:
    After this, the next image released was 10 months later
    Note that at the time the engine coding team was trying to adapt an engine known as 'Ogre' to AO.

    http://www.anarchy-online.com/anarch...epreview-2.jpg


    Dec 4th, 2008:

    Old Athens: http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...9&d=1228559737
    Tir: http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...0&d=1228559750


    March 13th, 2009:
    We got a running series of reworked Opifex heads. All char heads are going to be reworked to look better in the new engine and work had commenced by this time. This became a 'running' series of heads because, apparently, the work first posted was not 'finished' by the artists and the players were in a bit of an uproar over the initial appearance:

    Initial image: http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...8&d=1236959609
    1st Revision: http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...9&d=1236974132
    2nd Revision: http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...1&d=1237227395


    March 22, 2009:
    Further revised Opifex head:

    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...6&d=1237565960
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...7&d=1237565985

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    May 22nd, 2009:
    We learned that the Design team had decided to ditch the Ogre engine in favor of the Age of Conan Dreamworld/Cheetah engine. The reasons are explained in Game Director Means (Colin Cragg) post:

    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/sho...d.php?t=553916

    Quote:
    "The Engine

    We have been working on the conversion to Ogre for quite some time now...and there have been good days...and bad days. The team has really done a great job and it has been amazing to watch AO slowly move towards a day where we could release the game "fresh" with the upgraded look the AO world deserves. The problem with this journey is a matter of time and the destination. While the Ogre engine is an excellent choice it is just not providing the full featureset that we originally hoped to would deliver...moreover to add those features seems to be a task with ever growing estimates....which is something our small team can not afford, nor expect our players to wait for. When the decision to go with Ogre was made the engine used for Conan was in its adolescence...it ran but it was gangly, awkward and had stability issues. After two years of constant work by a large and brilliant render team the engine used by Conan runs beautifully and stably and offers a great number of complete features that would require additional years of work in Ogre. With the delays due to difficulties associated with optimization of Ogre to work well with current AO and the estimated timelines for a full implementation of the Conan engine (Dreamworld Engine/Cheetah) being nearly identical we were faced with a difficult decision.

    We chose to go with the Dreamworld Engine.

    With time estimates being roughly the same..the more fully supported/featured engine was the obvious choice. The fact that Dreamworld is being used in both Conan and our other "Secret World" project means that it will receive the future love and care it needs as AO grows older and the AO world continues to grow. This future consideration was impossible to ignore.

    This has not been an easy decision. Letting go of Ogre after so long is painful and I feel for all those who put so much work into trying to bring it to completion. A great many evenings and weekends went voluntarily into it with the hopes and dreams of a brighter future for AO. It was purely for the future of Anarchy Online that we had to step back let go of Ogre...and move forward with Dreamworld. Today felt exactly like saying goodbye to an old friend...however the facts and plans for the future make it impossible for me to think of it as the wrong decision.

    We will get there!

    What this means for us:

    Within the Ogre timeline the sheer amount of unanticipated optimization of essential features had slipped to November this year. With additional resources from the larger technical team we hope to bring the Dreamworld engine to AO in 2009. I truly believe that Age of Conan is a visually stunning world and I look forward to seeing the same technology available to us in the near future."

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    July 31st, 2009:
    More reworked heads (Nanomage) posted:

    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...2&d=1249080258
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...3&d=1249080271
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...4&d=1249080284
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...5&d=1249080296

    It was also noted in the thread that the glowing blue Nanomage eyes will, in fact, 'glow' in the new engine.


    August 14th, 2009:
    New Atrox heads:

    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...6&d=1250264574
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...7&d=1250264578
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...8&d=1250264581


    September 11th, 2009:
    Long list of Reworked head images posted:

    Opifex
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...2&d=1252681460
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...3&d=1252681464
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...4&d=1252681469
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...5&d=1252681474
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...6&d=1252681480
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...7&d=1252681491
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...8&d=1252681503
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...9&d=1252681511
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...0&d=1252681521
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...1&d=1252681532
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...4&d=1252681556
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...5&d=1252681563
    Solitus
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...2&d=1252681545
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...3&d=1252681550



    October 2nd, 2009:
    Some early screenshots rendered under the Dreamworld engine:

    Old: http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...3&d=1254497177
    New: http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...4&d=1254497184
    Old: http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...5&d=1254497191
    New: http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...6&d=1254497197

    There were a number of comments about the lack of 'atmospherics' and the design team promised to not post images like that again unless they also has atmospherics turned on (clouds, haze, etc...)


    November 13th, 2009:
    More screenshots comparing scenes rendered under the old engine versus the new engine. No Atmospherics yet...

    Rome: http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...4&d=1258561656
    Rome: http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...5&d=1258561666
    Rome: http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...6&d=1258561676
    Tir: http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...7&d=1258561691
    Tir: http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...8&d=1258561700
    Tir: http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...9&d=1258561706


    December 4th, 2009:
    A few screenshots:

    New engine with some atmospherics and sky - which will be worked over some more by the artists:
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...0&d=1260449524

    An RK mission with upgraded textures (displayed in the 'old' engine):
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...1&d=1260449560



    December 11th, 2009:
    Means posted a 16-second video to Youtube demonstrating something new coming with the new engine - flora deflecting aside as a person passes.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2WQB74W6_4


    December 18th, 2009:
    Lengthy letter From GD Means which includes an extensive summary of the status of the engine:

    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/sho...d.php?t=566873

    Quote:

    "The Engine

    Damn it is starting to look good...and the artists haven't really even started to poke it yet. From an integration standpoint we are getting pretty close to feature complete. The reason we always use Tir is this: most of the visual features of the entire game can be found in this little easy to load playfield: meshes, ground, statel animations, npcs, self illumination, character animation, water, gfx effects, sky, weather systems, grass, dynamic shadows etc etc. All the visual resources need to be converted to a new format to be viewed in the new engine...so working in the same feature rich environment makes a lot of sense. Both the old AND new engine are rendered at the same time..side by side...for comparison to make sure that things look as they should and no detail is missed (and in most cases drasticaly improved upon). Watching the orbital strike in Tir today was great fun...we weren't 100% sure how it would look or if it would work..but stunning is the best word for it.

    What is missing:

    The last issues:

    Characters are "naked". Meshes (like shoulderpads) and weapons are displayed but the textures on the character are not "swapped" to display the correct armor. This is a feature missing from the new engine and we are waiting on work from the Montreal office for this feature to come it. This is not complicated but has been delayed by the expert in our Canadian office somehow breaking his leg horribly while actually IN the Canadian office...I don't know how he did it...but I am sure he was "compiling" at the time. He is back on one leg now and this work should be coming along soon.

    Large playfields crash the conversion utility. AO playfields are 4000 x 4000. Conan playfields are 2000 x 2000. It wasn't important until we made it this far. Now we are working on it. I'm not even remotely worried about it. I hope we can show an enormous SL playfield soon.

    What is next:

    With integration (all features where they should be) next we get into optimization. This will consist of cutting out the old engine completely and running only the new. Removing "old" AO will immediately result in a better framerate...but there will be work to do on making it run as smooth as possible..with options in place to work with as many setups as possibe...from the most humble laptop right up to the gnarliest gaming rig available. Having not said "gnarly" for years I enjoyed that. Work is beginning in earnest shortly in the Beijing office on the new heads. We received the first Atrox head complete back from the office and it was more amazing and detailed than I ever would have imagined..it will be great to have all 358 done over the next few months."

    Aforementioned Chinese art team designed Atrox head: (posted to the AO forums February 4th, 2010)

    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...1&d=1265290910

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    I'll try to keep this updated as we progress towards launch.
    Last edited by Dagget; Feb 25th, 2010 at 18:56:05.

  2. #2
    Wow, nice one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrangeline View Post
    Wow, nice one.

    Duke Nukem Forever!
    hehe thats pretty funny!
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    Soon™

    Still waiting for it

    But nice topic...
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    Solitus* and the last 2 are opifex.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dagget View Post
    December 4th, 2009:
    A few screenshots:

    New engine with some atmospherics and sky - which will be worked over some more by the artists:
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...0&d=1260449524

    An RK mission with upgraded textures (displayed in the 'old' engine):
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...0&d=1260449524
    These link to the same image

  6. #6
    Excellent initiative, stickied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Essessceeaych View Post
    Solitus* and the last 2 are opifex.



    These link to the same image
    Corrected, thx.

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    I dont wanna sound like a dick or anything but damn, almost 3 years? The new engine project is really starting to look like duke nukem forever. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I dont wanna sound like a dick or anything but damn, almost 3 years? The new engine project is really starting to look like duke nukem forever. :P
    The project has been undergoing development for a while but if you read the above post it contains:
    "May 22nd, 2009:
    We learned that the Design team had decided to ditch the Ogre engine in favor of the Age of Conan Dreamworld/Cheetah engine. "
    It's February 6th 2010 now, that means the new engine has been in development for 8-9 months. And we were told in the last week that the conversion process is going somewhat smoothly, that all old effects now work in the new engine saving loads of time, and that clothes and armor stuff now works as well, leaving it feature complete. Optimization is all that is left, so we can probably count on a spring 2010 release, making the total process about a year long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mastablasta View Post
    It's February 6th 2010 now, that means the new engine has been in development for 8-9 months. And we were told in the last week that the conversion process is going somewhat smoothly, that all old effects now work in the new engine saving loads of time, and that clothes and armor stuff now works as well, leaving it feature complete. Optimization is all that is left, so we can probably count on a spring 2010 release, making the total process about a year long.
    That's what they said about Duke Nukem Forever, once a year, every year!
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    Once the Daily Missions content hits live, I expect Means to say that the entire team is focused on content related to the launch of the new engine:
    Coders on engine, trees, optimization
    Artists on heads and 'prettying up' the new engine looks
    Dev's on the new intro and related stuff like (hopefully) profession trainers.

    The rebalancing is the other shoe but I am guessing that they intend to release that just ahead of the engine (releasing the 'rebalanced' content simultaneously with the new engine would be suicidal imo).

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    one of the best threads i have ever seen.
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  13. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Mastablasta View Post
    The project has been undergoing development for a while but if you read the above post it contains:


    It's February 6th 2010 now, that means the new engine has been in development for 8-9 months. And we were told in the last week that the conversion process is going somewhat smoothly, that all old effects now work in the new engine saving loads of time, and that clothes and armor stuff now works as well, leaving it feature complete. Optimization is all that is left, so we can probably count on a spring 2010 release, making the total process about a year long.
    I could be wrong but i do belive Means said that they exported what they did in the Ogre engine to the dreamworld engine(or something like that), meaning they didnt start allover from scratch when they made the switch.

    Still its taken a damn long time, but then again, better late then never ey?
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    They still had to do it over from scratch, but as Means explained, the process went a lot faster because of the 2 years research already done while bolting the Ogre engine to AO.

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    Meh, I can't believe so much time went by...
    Nice work with the thread, 15mins well spent reading it.

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    wow. brilliant thread. can't wait for the new engine to come out. will probably roll a new toon just to revisit all the starter areas in their beautiful HD glory. donno bout the rest of you guys, but i'm excited. hope this is going to be followed up with a huge irl marketing campaign and in-store boxed copies of fthe game being sold (gamecards, while i'm dreaming) to buff up the population

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    Huge marketing campaigns cost huge money. Not going to happen. Printing discs costs money, prolly not gonna happen. Small marketing campaign online consisting of interviews and some banners and videos, free-week reactivate to old players and 10$/€ all expansion deals? More likely.
    Also, what do you want timecards for? You can pay by cash if you want to or live in one of those weird countries where they don't want to give out creditcards.
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    The Red Brotherhood

    I'm a Nano-Technician, don't ever expect me to fight unbuffed, alone or fair.

    Means: about f'ing time :P
    Satenia: heresy <3
    Znore: Mastablasta <3
    Kinkstaah: I have agro from many mobs ;(
    Madarab: we are aoe class, we are supose to use pistols
    Marxgorm: the NT toolset does not fit into my raiding tactics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagget View Post
    An RK mission with upgraded textures (displayed in the 'old' engine):
    http://forums.anarchy-online.com/att...1&d=1260449560
    New mission textures are on testlive (or at least some of them are, I've only seen brown warehouse type missions so far, need to roll somewhere other than Home ). There are a few issues with lighting in some places, but nothing major.
    "Do not try and catch the hamster... that's impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth... There is no hamster, only a deadbeat rollerat..."

    [Social] Means: I don't think we removed any bosses because of bad pathing...there wouldnt be any left if we did :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkbane View Post
    New mission textures are on testlive (or at least some of them are, I've only seen brown warehouse type missions so far, need to roll somewhere other than Home ). There are a few issues with lighting in some places, but nothing major.
    The NPC guards in OA and elsewhere also have the new textures.
    Last edited by Mastablasta; Feb 9th, 2010 at 16:03:07.
    Thor Mastablasta Hammersmith - Level 220, AI 30, LE 70 Clan Atrox Nano Technician - Setup
    The Red Brotherhood

    I'm a Nano-Technician, don't ever expect me to fight unbuffed, alone or fair.

    Means: about f'ing time :P
    Satenia: heresy <3
    Znore: Mastablasta <3
    Kinkstaah: I have agro from many mobs ;(
    Madarab: we are aoe class, we are supose to use pistols
    Marxgorm: the NT toolset does not fit into my raiding tactics

  20. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Mastablasta View Post
    Huge marketing campaigns cost huge money. Not going to happen. Printing discs costs money, prolly not gonna happen.
    oh believe me i know it's probably not going to happen, but it would be nice if it did. as a wise man once said "I have a dream..."


    Quote Originally Posted by Mastablasta View Post
    Small marketing campaign online consisting of interviews and some banners and videos, free-week reactivate to old players and 10$/€ all expansion deals? More likely.
    should be good enough to defib the population. especially when they see how goddamn pretty it looks and they forget why it was they left in the first place :P

    Quote Originally Posted by Mastablasta View Post
    Also, what do you want timecards for? You can pay by cash if you want to or live in one of those weird countries where they don't want to give out creditcards.
    not all of us have credit cards you know:P

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