Originally Posted by
Neccoz
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Ok, look. I played WoW. So in your statement my point is more valid than Noobas'. I have been in the third guild of a Brit server taking Illidan down. We were farming BWL when guilds were struggling with MC. THis is not to boast, but to show you it has been a while, and we've been at it for a while, and therefore, I'm not taking this out of my bottom.
There are three ways that raid loots get rolled:
1. The pure elite way: Big guilds have "Class masters" who decide, on forums, or in game, during the raid, or more often than not, in advance, who from each class will get ALL the big items first. Read, one player of the class (Usually the class master when it comes to new raids) will see ALL the items coming from one place that are even a slight upgrade for him when it could be an awesome upgrade for others be given to him. No other player from his class will have an item dropping from the place, untill said person has it.
2. DKP: Equivalent of our actual point system. You get points for attending raids, when an item drops, you bid points during the raid. The more you come, the more you get rewarded. Systems differ a bit, some take all your points each item you win (like s42), some take the points you are willing to pay (like the old Omni Tara bot), and some are like the previous, but make you spend only what the second highest was ready to bid, if you indicate being ready to pay more (like the actual Omni Tara bot).
3: Need/Greed: The basic Blizzard roll system. People press Need or Greed, whether they can use it or not. Usually works great for 5 men instances, a bit less for 10 men instances, unless you only have one class of each prof and the drops are all class locked, and is usually a mess for 25 men raids (Not to mention old 40 men raids). Often used for PUGs (Pickup Groups) and therefore often abused ("Oh, I missclicked, sorry!" "But I need it to disenchant and level my skill!" "What? So? It sells good on the Auction Hall!" etc.). In Pickup 25 Raids, having farmed an item for 50 days doesn't stop you from seeing a guy who's just dinged 80 with full green items to win the item you didn't even have a chance to see drop.
Now you tell me, what exactly AO point bots should want from WoW system(s)? Because the system we use is actually used in most cases on WoW already. And AO has been at it way before WoW. The first system is totally unfair, and makes a single person decide who has the right to decide on loot allocation. The second one is the actual point system we use, whether it's good or not, it remains the fairer. The third one is just the basic !loot !add X !roll system that people use and we call "Flatroll".
Here we go, you got someone who has played WoW telling you how exactly it works. And now it's my turn, I DARE you to tell me I'm wrong. You just freshly got power levelled, you haven't been 220 for longer than a month (If you already are, which I am not even sure) and you want to go on and launch yet another Bot hate revolution. Tell you what, people have tried that for ages, way before your so called WoW was launched. Some people boycot the point systems, for different reasons, but those that do it because they think it's unfair (which makes no sense) usually are the newbies that see people who spent dozens and dozens of hours win items all the time. Guess what, IT MAKES SENSE! The other half of bot haters are the one who just don't like the point bots, for several reasons, but most of them will agree that the system is fair and couldn't come up with a better one. They don't use it, but don't flame it.
I hope you will see this as point of view, and not a personal attack, as it is not. I wasn't defending Noobas, as you could guess by the "fights" we had on MA forums. Iwas just giving you what you asked for. The opinion from an experienced Bot user that has actually seen how it works in other game.
