Professionals Program

[McKnuckleSamwich]

Frankly, choosing MA professionals should have nothing to do with knowing who's da really best really really inside. And it should not be a war between people that play a certain style against others. It's hard enough to find active MAs now without having to divide us into factions and compete against each other in a useless showoff.

This.

Ok, No4sniper, I agree that it would be reasonable to have a professional from RK1 and RK2 (sorry DNW)

But, I haven't seen one post here that is announcing that she/he wants to represent the community.



I would encourage all MA's who are thinking about electing professionals to consider what the implications are of electing an MA who is "uber" and "at the top of the pvp food chain" vs one who is more average, and who is closer to the "representative sample" of MA's. For this reason, I'm not sure if ange would be the best MA rep.

Often those at the VERY top of the heap do not understand the peculiarities that bog down the average players. In my opinion, there are only 2-3 MA's out there who have honed the professional ability of the MA to such a fine degree. Don't expect him to sympathize with the average.

Perhaps, while it would be useful to have a "top-of-the-heap" representative, we should also elect someone who faces more the the problems that the masses face.

Does RK1 have an MA who frequests the forums, who is active, but is not at the epitome of the game?

In my opinion, someone who has already achieved sensational success will be less likely to fight for the gains of the average man. Think carefully on this.

[No4Sniper]

Does RK1 have an MA who frequests the forums, who is active, but is not at the epitome of the game?

Yes, but they have learned to move on and play professions that are easy mode in pvp. Best example would be Watchmyfeet, who hasn't played his MA in a long time, but was one of my role models when leveling. He unfortunately plays his sold too much and I don't think browses the forums. Other than that I can't think of any non-end game MA's who still play.

[Soliartist]

If you had read my sign just once, you woulda known who the hell I am.
Whatever, case closed I guess ... Sorry for misunderstanding.

Well if you think that I'm blind to most recent PvP MAs' issues ...
Guess you're talking about the countless times where I said "no we don't lack of XXX, look, I can do it just fine, you witnessed it" ? I didn't mean to show how good I am or whatever, all I meant is that if I can do it, then everybody can do it, and please don't tell me about that sync issue, I suffer from it as well, maybe not as much as you (from time to time) but still. Even if it takes more time for some people to learn, it doesn't matter.

I can understand average PvPers issues, guess how !
Because I been part of them too, I know how it is, to play a non end-game PvP MA amongst the toughest players, I started to PvP this way, by challenging the hardest PvPers to learn from them, then come back to have a balanced fight, because they taught me something. We aren't here to give our qualifications, our deeds or what-so-ever but I advise TL5 and TL7 MAs everyday. I can easily put myself in their position, in their skin because I had to start somewhere and learn too, no one can escape from that as far as I know. Every bit of knowledge, tips, tactics I got, I'm glad to be able to share them with anyone (I'm not waving that RP flag either). The new wave is meant to become better than the former one, that's also my goal.

So please, don't tryna put yourself in my position, thanks in advance.

[McKnuckleSamwich]

Well if you think that I'm blind to most recent PvP MAs' issues ...
Guess you're talking about the countless times where I said "no we don't lack of XXX, look, I can do it just fine, you witnessed it" ? I didn't mean to show how good I am or whatever, all I meant is that if I can do it, then everybody can do it, and please don't tell me about that sync issue, I suffer from it as well, maybe not as much as you (from time to time) but still. Even if it takes more time for some people to learn, it doesn't matter.

I can understand average PvPers issues, guess how !
Because I been part of them too, I know how it is, to play a non end-game PvP MA amongst the toughest players, I started to PvP this way, by challenging the hardest PvPers to learn from them, then come back to have a balanced fight, because they taught me something. We aren't here to give our qualifications, our deeds or what-so-ever but I advise TL5 and TL7 MAs everyday. I can easily put myself in their position, in their skin because I had to start somewhere and learn too, no one can escape from that as far as I know. Every bit of knowledge, tips, tactics I got, I'm glad to be able to share them with anyone (I'm not waving that RP flag either). The new wave is meant to become better than the former one, that's also my goal.

So please, don't tryna put yourself in my position, thanks in advance.

Point taken.

honestly, I think you don't understand some of the problems other MA's have, not because of the skill difference, but because of the internet difference... And thats not your fault.

I know you mentioned sync, but, when a swap takes 4 seconds instead of instantaneous, it's a biiiiig difference.

not your fault mate.


What I'm getting at, is that there are a lot of people out there who can't put together a 3 second alpha, and it's not somethign you're familiar with. Consider the implicatiosn though, and this is why I bring it up:

if you can get off the 3 second alpha, but 99% of the MA population can't, and some of us are *limited* to a perk alpha because swapping just isn't an option, how do you think you would handle that vast variability in PVP?

Like, just because you can do it, doesn't mean other can, regardless of practice.

The MA toolset should be able to provide enough offence and defence to use what tools we have to produce PVP results, without swapping. Meaning, that the "traditional" method of lots of hotswaps may not work (probably wont).

Anyway, ange, I'm not saying you shouldn't be a professional, I'm just saying that your experience is different from many peoples.

[Ctrlaltwin]

... not because of the skill difference, but because of the internet difference... And thats not your fault.

Explain that please. My take on it is this: if you have dial up, then how can you blame the other 95% who have high speed internet. Just like if you live in a packed city, how can you justify a CONNECTION issue with a GAME issue. You can't. You have a problem with connection that isn't server side, that is your problem.

...if you can get off the 3 second alpha, but 99% of the MA population can't, and some of us are *limited* to a perk alpha because swapping just isn't an option, how do you think you would handle that vast variability in PVP?

I don't like that word CAN'T. Never did. What is his 3 second alpha, and how can he do it but we can't? No consistency, and that is key. If you say pretty much all of us can't do a perk alpha, but one-two can, then clearly that 99% has something to learn about their profession.

Have you ever asked how to do a 3 second alpha? That is a crucial question I'd ask, then ask why you have NOT practiced MA possibilities/talked in-depth with other skilled MAs.

...without swapping. Meaning, that the "traditional" method of lots of hotswaps may not work (probably wont).

Yet again bro, what are you getting at? Swapping is something that takes time and practice, and for some it just doesn't work. Maybe they can't get the timing or can't keep the consistency, in which case we can't say the "traditional" MA style is how we should direct MOST our conversations towards.

It would be the exact same to saying to be a great enforcer, you must be a trox one who uses MR and goes 1HB. And then just ignore all the other possibilities. You can't just talk about "traditional" and rule out everyone ideas.

Anyway, ange, I'm not saying you shouldn't be a professional, I'm just saying that your experience is different from many peoples.

MANY others? I would like to know your experience among all the MAs you've talked to. I know in games where a certain class/profession/character type was flawed. Most people would say it is weaker, it is unbalanced, or it lacks something special that keeps everyone else competitive.

There isn't just one style of MA fighting, and you will adjust your tactic to what is best for you. If you struggle with MA, change up your tactics, ask questions from other MAs, and keep active with improvement. If not, consider another profession which fits your style better. If this isn't what you want to hear, I feel bad.

What reality do you want? The one where we are MOSTLY "traditional" MAs, on crap connections, fighting with subpar tactics and alphas? Even if YOU feel we are, keep improving or move to a profession where you feel more comfortable with.

[Gatester]

I think a good point to make is that an MA prof from RK1 (or any prof that is) will have less votes by default because of the population of their server.

Neccoz may think self-embelishment is stupid, but how would a candidate from RK1 get votes from us RK2'ers if we do not at least get to know a bit about what they can do and offer?

[Gimpeline]

Can’t say I am interested in knowing who can swap fastest, who got fast connection, who had the biggest breakfast, who gives the best cybor..
(Well..mabye the cybor part, but thats beside the point )
I'm more interested in who will represent ma's best in both pvp and pvm.

[Neon_1]

Can’t say I am interested in knowing who can swap fastest, who got fast connection, who had the biggest breakfast, who gives the best cybor..
(Well..mabye the cybor part, but thats beside the point )
I'm more interested in who will represent ma's best in both pvp and pvm.

Word.

[Neccoz]

Neccoz may think self-embelishment is stupid, but how would a candidate from RK1 get votes from us RK2'ers if we do not at least get to know a bit about what they can do and offer?

I'm fine with that. Telling who you are isn't the same as saying how good you are. There is a huge gap between those two things, and I'm afraid Noobas was in the second category. I hate boasting whereas introducing yourself is totally different. So I do agree on what you are saying, Gatester, but not on what was done by Noobas. But does it really import? That's MY opinion. People might vote on professionals that show the most epeen or the ones that are the gimpest and therefore represent them better, that's up to everyone on a personal level.

[Kopecz]

+10 for best Professional drama so far

[CriticalDmg]

That's just great... 5 Pages of personal attacks... so that's what's going to help FC decide who to pick...
I'd suggest a separate list of candidates for RK1 and RK2 (DNW seems to be lacking sufficient population, let alone candidates, or even forum users on the English board), as next to none of the people on RK1 know the people on RK2 and vice versa (aside for a few encounters on the Test dimension).

If I still played, and if Vlain was still active, he'd get my vote, but as I understand he just quit due to being completely and totally ignored by some FC personnel (PM's to Means too iirc) for a l∞ng period of time.

And we all know that apart from Critical, nobody's really going to get as much vote as Ange.

...Second off, I nominate either Criticaldmg (if he even plays anymore)...

I've left AO several months ago, due to way too many game related issues (I wrote them a small essay on the subscription cancellation page, which I'm sure no one has ever, nor will ever read...), none of which were MA specific.

Status
Cancelled by user (2009-09-06 11:05:18)
This account is playable until the end of your current subscription cycle (2009-09-09 21:29:26)

I just hope for whatever MAs that are still playing, that the new professionals won't quit the game a short while after election...

Hell... I don't even know why I check these boards at least once a week...

[Kintaii]

That's just great... 5 Pages of personal attacks... so that's what's going to help FC decide who to pick...

I just wanted to chime in to say that we aren't picking - You guys are. =) First you choose who to nominate by sending in an email, and then we publish a list of candidates. After that, you guys get to vote and select your next Professionals. =)

[Ctrlaltwin]

I just wanted to chime in to say that we aren't picking - You guys are. =) First you choose who to nominate by sending in an email, and then we publish a list of candidates. After that, you guys get to vote and select your next Professionals. =)

Thanks for clearing that up Kintaii. An actual list of MAs for candidates is a true AO democrazy (not democracy). I guess the 5 pages of insults have resulted in no victory.

[Anarrina]

Wow, I gotta say, that was impressive guys. Can we nudge this out-of-control, downhill careening cart back on track, maybe?

And for the record, Oddwuaya and I have only ever had one conversation. It was memorable, to say the least.

Those wishing to have a conversation about it can find me in pm's.

[Leevon]

i vote ange

[Shookwon]

Infinitynova

[styles999]

Infinitynova

Bump, if hes willing

[No4Sniper]

And for the record, Oddwuaya and I have only ever had one conversation. It was memorable, to say the least.

So does that mean you'll finally unban him from the forums so he can be nominated as professional?

[nijushio]

my vote would go to CriticalDmg or Vlain, please come back guys : (

[Neccoz]

my vote would go to CriticalDmg or Vlain, please come back guys : (

I mean no offense, as I would love to nominate those two aswell, but can we please not waste time and votes on inactive, frozen candidates please?