Mongo Rage

[sannz]

???

chaos ritual could always be launched from sneak.

if it means all other perks will no longer be able to be launced from sneak and chaoes ritual will, then maybe thats ok i suppose.

still doesn't justify dropping the dd significantly unless its a typo and its supposed to be a triple.

DD was lowered, as was the recharge time (40s/20s iirc). Not sure if thats a blessing or a curse. It does lower the alpha, but then, it can be used more often... Guess I'd rather keep the old dd & recharge, too.

Back on topic: Yes, Mongo Rage needs to be nerfed. The arguement that low-AR professions can use it to land their perks on evade/aad profs lost a lot of its weight if said perks are moved towards NR (and aad is not counting for those perks def) and/or lowered def checks on regular non-NR-based perks.
All that is left now are those professions that already have decent/high-AR. 1500aao is far more than what those need to perk most evade profs. And excuse me for saying so, but someone running *Stance + DoF + Limber + has a defensive setup *should* have a chance of not getting perked or hit in a ridiculous amount.

Imo, either nerf the aao amount or add additional nerfs after using it. In any case, this perk needs serious revisitation.

[Yama]

Either nerf it or give a breed change option so we can all go atrox in game.

If this gona happen then i will change few toons to solitus. Easy mode ftw. Just 1 stupid PVP perk and as atrox you have much more work to get symbs and rest stuff on your self. Hotswapping ftw.

[Yama]

Bump
either add 1k less aao
or cast 40 sec unbreakable root after usage.

Some profs will be happy for fixers 1k AAD perk for 1min considering MR gives 1.5k AAO for few secs.

[sannz]

Some profs will be happy for fixers 1k AAD perk for 1min considering MR gives 1.5k AAO for few secs.

So sorry if I have to disappoint you, but things stand now, Deceptive Stances' durations will pretty much get halfed to 31-40sec.

[Mekh]

If this gona happen then i will change few toons to solitus. Easy mode ftw. Just 1 stupid PVP perk and as atrox you have much more work to get symbs and rest stuff on your self. Hotswapping ftw.

This... I would not even think twice about it...

[Neuromotor]

1) Forums Team have been instructed this forum should be moderated with an iron head.

Is this an admission that moderating these forums are very much akin to bashing ones head against the wall?

[bgmongo]

whats the point of nerfing it? works only when you gank someone.. tbh.. if your gonna nerf it nerf the name too then whats the point of having name like "Mongo rage" if it's not going to do anything should be "Mongo Moan" or something like that..

[Venachar]

Is this an admission that moderating these forums are very much akin to bashing ones head against the wall?

Freudian slip. Ahem. Carry on.

[Hacre]

The drawback is that its an all or nothing perk.
I think the problem is more that the classes are terrible without this perk, moreso than this perk makes them overpowered.

The "Imbalances" of classes using MR should really be considered the standard, or MR should be removed but defence checks altered so this is the level these classes perform at.

This makes a lot of sense. Atrox Keepers with this perked have a far greater chance of killing various people (or debuffing them, then killing them) than any other breed. This is due to the rather broken nature of perk reliant professions so I imagine Shades are in the same boat as well.

MR is all or nothing because all offensive perks are all or nothing. They really shouldn't be.

Besides, MR ganks are easy enough to avoid 1v1 unless they're executed with some rather good timing (Hi Humle) in which case that skill should be rewarded. MR in my opinion doesn't really need a nerf (note none of the toons I took to end game are Atrox) but other things should be fixed so it doesn't stay as it is, which is a crutch for professions that as any other breed have little hope of perking people when it matters.

[srompu]

I agree that MR should be reduced to perhaps a 300 AAO buff, rather than the gateway to evade proff **** that is currently is.

Give the proffs who rely on it some alternate form of AR, and let the ones who just MR/12345 eat the nerf.

[Insane666]

id really love to see MR adressed finally by FC, its clearly ridiculous and unfair compared to other genome perks,,

i can agree that shades are crap w.o it, but thats even one more reason to tune it down to the level of other breeds genome perks, allowing a general shade perk def checks tune down ( and its not the only prof were non troxes are denied love becouse it would make the trox members of their profession OPed )

+1,5k aao w.o any real drawback, breed locked, should have never happened, since you are attemping to fix issues with this games mechanics, i cant see how you could exclude this perk

or just make all ( w.o exceptions ) breed genome perks ridiculously over powered

[Bicsak]

if they removing MR, they should give an NPC, where we can change our breeds....

[Moonbolt]

A drawback, as implied in the description, would be great.

it has a drawback ...
-1k AR after the time is up and a snare. for about twice as long time as MR ran itself.

[Berserkmc]

Remove or redesign it please. We shouldn't be forced to play atroxes to perk someone or to play in defensive setup.

[Moonbolt]

Remove or redesign it please. We shouldn't be forced to play atroxes to perk someone or to play in defensive setup.

agreed.. Mongo Rage is silly.. i myself refuses to perk it cause its just a boring 1 button to make ur profession viable.

[Perskules]

wtb cib + acrobat nerf then. lower stance to 300aad and dof to 200evades and limber to 100.
MR gives change to kill some evade profs without AS needed.
many good pvper can survive MR when they see text on others head MONGO RAGE they run or stun

[Berserkmc]

Of course, it should be same time as all get a chance to hit evaders. Just redesign perks system to similar regular hits or NanoResist. More AR you have, more chances to land perks, not how it going now - is your AR > target Def, you king of the hill, if not, you're sucker.

[Graftmage]

i can agree that shades are crap w.o it

More than 70% of all lvl220 shades are crap by definition then (and it was more than 90% before the removal of "must be behind" requirements on the PM perks). Yeah, nothing wrong with the perk

wtb cib + acrobat nerf then. lower stance to 300aad and dof to 200evades and limber to 100.
MR gives change to kill some evade profs without AS needed.
many good pvper can survive MR when they see text on others head MONGO RAGE they run or stun

All evade classes (that have access to cib/def stance or acrobat), apart from adv (nurf), are relatively easy to kill. They do not have many of other defensive abilities (reflects, big heals on demand, adsorbs, debuffs that significantly lower offense, etc) to add to their evades.

[Perskules]

More than 70% of all lvl220 shades are crap by definition then (and it was more than 90% before the removal of "must be behind" requirements on the PM perks). Yeah, nothing wrong with the perk



All evade classes (that have access to cib/def stance or acrobat), apart from adv (nurf), are relatively easy to kill. They do not have many of other defensive abilities (reflects, big heals on demand, adsorbs, debuffs that significantly lower offense, etc) to add to their evades.

that sounds fun when NT says that who can 100% land they nukes to every1 who dont have nr8 perked.
so why then NTs should keep their insane nr debuff? what can be used every few seconds and after that they can nuke/perk any1

[Alternity]

There is nothing wrong with MR, so sick of you people thinking it's a "hello press 1 to win" button, it's dangerous in mass PvP/BS, City PvP and a benefit in duels.

So going along with FunCom's plans to balance PvP, it's already been stated that 1 vs 1 balancing is not what they are going for.
So in terms of how the perk works in mass PvP you get a 1 chance to get a high value target, and a propper chance of death after due to the debuff.

I can't help but feeling that the majority of you nerfbats are disgruntled duel PvP players, and I don't feel sorry for you.


In terms of what FunCom wants to do with PvP, I think MR works great in a mass PvP situation. I know I'm carefull when using it, and rather opt for kiting if the situtaion allows for it. But being able to take out a evade class when needed is good, because most likely the evade class would just evade unless some MR prankster was around