Post No 3413 on Evades v AAD

[Louderer789]

math makes my brain hurt

[Aratink]

Breaks stop being lazy and meep this thread to stickies please.

I'll sticky it in the FAQ thread.

[hasufuel]

Hm, I heard some people using ga4 that didn't skill any evades. According to your calculations they shouldn't have a good defensive rating.

If one got ~200 from trickeldown it would be like:
200*2.7 = 540

With such a low rating one would evade less then a non ga fixer with maxed evades. How does it fit with Pomidors theory?

[Racatti]

Symbs/imps have evades, limber has evades, ga4 itself has 215 evades.

[Aratink]

The defensive check is %Defense Skill + 100% AAD vs %Attack Skill +100% AAO.

Even with 0 IP into evades, due to symbs/perks/trickle down/GA the GA fixer will still have 400ish evades +2400ish AAD for a def rating of 2800. If you're not being attacked by someone with 2800ish AR, then you still have an excellent defense rating for a TL5 level.

Pomidor's theory, although hard to read due to presentation, seems to corispond with that.

He uses "Easy Shot" as an example due to it's 5% duck explosives check. At TL7 this perk will still occasionally land on some fixers, because the trader has higher AR then the 5% duck+AAD of the fixer. At TL5 however, the trader's AR is much lower, and the 2400ish AAD of the GA fixer is enough to counter the perk, regardless of evades.

[Pomidor]

At tl5 u got evades from trickledown, GSF, symbs perks and from GA itself. It should be about 600 or so (depends on setup). Its still around 2800 evades

[Sethic]

This be some nice researchin', yarrrrr.

[Pomidor]

Yes Awi, you are right. There is no point pumping AAD when u got low or none Evades, cause its percentage wont have anything to boost.

For the record. I randomly meeted players that was shoting each other, and were asking for targets AR. I asked player A to hit player B ( one was enf 112 second was 125) fixer., so I could try my math. After 25 shots i did calcs for Enfos AR, and it went 1070. Then I asked what hes AR. He answered: 1072... ( i knew Fixers evades of course, so I could base my calcs on something that I know).

[Rahelq]

very interesting theory...a lot less 'mystical' than anticipated

[whitey]

Ahh, now i understand why ranged profs found it hard to perk me through 1600 evade skill and about 450 AAD...

3016 defence rating ftw.

i still got perked sometimes though? hmmm

[PingBong]

Interesting theory pomidor, ill investigate it some time meanwhile i have been working in another direction, some of know that negative evades=100% critrate, my engi is set up for AAD draining and can take away 890 AAD. In testserver i could dual a 200 fixer to play around with and found out that any combination of dodge+AAD or either one purely with total of 889 would still allow me to crit him 100% after the drains (this is from 1k test shots) also another thing to consider is that coffe cans which have no attack or defense skill should work 100% on aad/aao and by your theory without evades aad wont do a thing but in practice i missed almost all hits on the fixer with GA4 equipped. These 2 strongly favour a bluntly added evade boost by aad

[Racatti]

GA4 has evades on itself.

[Racatti]

Ahh, now i understand why ranged profs found it hard to perk me through 1600 evade skill and about 450 AAD...

3016 defence rating ftw.

i still got perked sometimes though? hmmm

Perks != regulars

perks are AR vs. defcheck+AAD or AR+AAO vs defcheck+AAD in case of AI perks.

[PingBong]

GA4 has evades on itself.

as said the coffe cans dont have defensive skill check

[Breaks]

Breaks stop being lazy and meep this thread to stickies please.

I actually hadn't read this until just now. I was on vacation and pissy about the HUD3 research and annoyed that Tobo found the forums and assumed this was just another one of the self proclaimed thousands of threads on the topic, as opposed to...well...

Pom, that's a really amazing post, or several posts really. My head hurts trying to think about it all at once. I'll sit down tomorrow and look over your math and test some stuff myself.

It may not be exact, but it's closer than any theory I've ever seen before. Amazing work.

[Rahelq]

Pom, i'm a bit confused by how precisely you claim to be able to predict the AR/evades of the experimentee..
as an example let's say you have a hit chance of 25%, so every 4th swing would hit;
in your experiments that's precisely what happens: you swing 20 times and hit 5 times...

now where's the randomness in all that and the usual occurence of streaks, meaning sometimes you miss
all hits in one round and hit all of them in the next?

[Neosh1]

how do u calc someone's ar if u know your evades and aad?

[lordchubz]

interesting read

[Taikwandodo]

To Pomidor .. if u think ur theory is right i will ask u some simple questions based on game experience. Why does a MA with 3k AR perking (with all perks not only AI ones) a 220 fixer when the MA is popping the omnis opi SB (+800AAO).
Why does a MR user with 2800 AR land SL perks on a MA with 900 Add all def and 2300 evades when the MA has Limber+ CiB up. Meaning 2500 evades (2300 self + 200 limber) and 1900 AAD (900 self and 1000 CiB).

Maybe you are right about landing normal hits, i didn't make calculation based on ur formula yet, but about landing perks it's another story.

[Monkeyninja]

thats just for landing normal hits everyone knows how perks land less there was something i missed in the lump of text