Soldiers and what we were aimed for

[Ocene]

When I started this game I believed soldier were a ranged (but lower) alternative to Enforcers in PVM, as well as major tanking order in Notum wars PVP.

As I see major patches go by, I understand that FC has improved the soldier profession with better weapons (Sharks, Dreadloch Sharks). But tbh, overall I see this profession dieing.

In my ideal, Soldiers were always the alternative tankers, taking damage like almost nobody, and dealing acceptable damage. Soldier were noble and while the profession is not an easy one, we made it. We were wanted and appreciated. We were feared and looked up.

..................then came 17.1....
.....................then came 17.2.............................................. .................and 17.3

question is simple: how is FC seeing the soldier profession in the future?

Is 17.4 looking back at Notum Wars the way it was with soldiers with a role? or not?

I'm saying this because (and very like Enforcers), Soldiers are dieing.

there is no longer any momentum, the weak ones are already rerolling and will certainly quit, but many are just quitting, and those I talked to have been here a lot longer than me, some since 2001.

Help us preserve this profession, help us preserve AO.
Thanks for listening.
Ocene

[Mastablasta]

Soldiers deal uber damage, have moderate staying power in pvp and uber staying power in pvm. What's your beef? Some of us played the weakest professions with no DD, no pvp and pvm capability for the majority of players and really just gimped our way through. We are now finally getting a little love to put us in the place which was previously reserved for grossly unbalanced professions.

You aren't nerfed, the rest of us just got a little closer to where you've been.

[vinyaya]

Give us reflects that work again.

[Reziukas]

You aren't nerfed, the rest of us just got a little closer to where you've been.

Good point.

can't believe I just agreed with masta

[IHaveHugeNick]

So what patch exactly made you unable to tank things? I dont recall any.

[Reziukas]

Actually, looking at pre-LE notum wars, I don't think any prof should be able to tank 20-30 people no matter how many docs are healing your a$$

[Nab2000]

After getting over the nerf to reflects and stuff.. I'm getting used to it, and dont really see much difference. I even perked back from my nr setup (had like 3300 usually with buffs). Started doing a little more battlestation again after being bored. Well, i see that this stuff is making more people enjoy pvp. And im still able to hold off my death for awhile (unless theres a couple nts that put their eyes on me).

If people are leaving the soldier profession, we need to show that soldiers still rule.
And just keep wishing that we get some rewards for staying in there.

[Novafox]

So what patch exactly made you unable to tank things? I dont recall any.

Thats right, we still can't tank for shades or MAs on admirals. Nothing changed there.

[Ocene]

Soldiers deal uber damage, have moderate staying power in pvp and uber staying power in pvm. What's your beef? Some of us played the weakest professions with no DD, no pvp and pvm capability for the majority of players and really just gimped our way through. We are now finally getting a little love to put us in the place which was previously reserved for grossly unbalanced professions.

You aren't nerfed, the rest of us just got a little closer to where you've been.

Please keep the discussion to its original post, I understand other profs had even more issues..this is a soldier post, and not one meant to compare it to other profs. If unsure reread the post. Maybe even twice

[Dysfunction]

I figured out a way to get our old reflects back so it's not that big of an issue for me anymore. But it does seem like we're becoming less powerful, and truth be told i would greatly appreciate a better heal with the research lines or a new "improved" one more hit healing. Its kinda ridiculous that we have about 17-18k hp and only get a 300 heal with a tiny DoT on it :*(

[Nab2000]

I figured out a way to get our old reflects back so it's not that big of an issue for me anymore. (

oh? share!

[Izol]

Soldiers deal uber damage, have moderate staying power in pvp and uber staying power in pvm. What's your beef? Some of us played the weakest professions with no DD, no pvp and pvm capability for the majority of players and really just gimped our way through. We are now finally getting a little love to put us in the place which was previously reserved for grossly unbalanced professions.

You aren't nerfed, the rest of us just got a little closer to where you've been.

IMO gtfo of our forum. kthx

[Tchaa]

You aren't nerfed, the rest of us just got a little closer to where you've been.

We all know you're just posting this drivel in an attempt to annoy.

[Spart]

from what I can remember in a pm that Sil sent me was that soldiers were supposed to be a hybrid tank/DD. But that only occurs in teams, solo we have to kite most of the time after ams is down so we wont die, and in pvp we have lost our luster. Sure we hit harder now after 3.5 years or so when the spb released(correct me if i'm wrong) and evaders complain that evades are nerfed cause we need less bullets to cap due to the huge damage increase.

From this point, we should ask FC, what is their vision for soldiers now? we lost a good portion of pvp viability with the reflect nerfs(still do good damage, but next to nothing in defense wise), I have doubts that the new soldier ring is going to be useful, our LE nano is pointless and i dobut we will be getting anything cooler for a while. Guess that that shark was a present to hold us off for another 3.5 years while FC fixes everyone else.

[Shareida]

Check the active 201+ traders and the active 201+ Sols/Enfos and you will see how completely wrong your argument is.

Or.. just roll a trader/NT if you want to join the "winnerprofession".
Thats what we got told for the last 2 years as soon as we complained about something.

[Esqi]

According to your auno link (may be out dated) i can understand you claiming you die alot on pvp, Sharieda.

We are adapting to adjustments like anyone else.

[Lillagumman]

Check the active 201+ traders and the active 201+ Sols/Enfos and you will see how completely wrong your argument is.

so you mean that chars made 2 - 3- 4 and even 5 years ago says how good/bad soldiers are doing now?
lolz @ cluelessness!

soldiers are very entitled as to asking what is intended and aimed for imo since all the changes to pvp have occured and our main(only pretty much) defence got severily weakened.

[schloops]

I'm not here to start a flame war or whatever but to express my opinion on where the soldier (and some others) profession is going:

How I see it is FC is trying to balance offense/defense - pvm/pvp... which, maybe for interested reasons... I find fine.

For a long time (very long) 2/3 rd of the professions have been used to enjoy upper medium stats in all thoses characteristics.
1/3 rd of the professions (the ones that have been called the whiners) have had to live with largely sub stats in all of thoses characteristics.

So the definition of a soldier as a great tank dealing nice dmg, pvm and pvp wise is getting dented... I think FC has chosen to nerf your defenses pvp wise.

NTs have been, well, whining for ages and insisting on getting our glass canon status: and we finaly got it pvp wise (not pvm yet alas)... which also explain why NTs get outraged at the idee of whatever we very newly got to be nerfed... we have followed the path of the nerfed for ages.

I think you'd better be clear to FC what the profession would realistically choose.

This is my opinion, not lobbying, nor trolling, flaming, just an out of the profession look at it.

nb1: yup I'm clearly a pvm player but not completely idiot or death
nb2: plz no: "pre NG, decently skilled NTS were doing fine (pvp wise I suspect)" may work with me but won't with ALOT of pvping NTS.

[ajukusoja]

imo we are just fine IF only FC makes new shark with .1 equip time .. or lower the EC3 and shark equip on 1 sec.

[thygore]

After getting over the nerf to reflects and stuff.. I'm getting used to it, and dont really see much difference. I even perked back from my nr setup (had like 3300 usually with buffs). Started doing a little more battlestation again after being bored. Well, i see that this stuff is making more people enjoy pvp. And im still able to hold off my death for awhile (unless theres a couple nts that put their eyes on me).

If people are leaving the soldier profession, we need to show that soldiers still rule.
And just keep wishing that we get some rewards for staying in there.

I agree we need some pvp videos of soldiers taking care of buisness to boost morale or something. As for whining about NTs I got over it because I noticed once you dropped you alpha first rarely would they make through. Still have beef with FC lovechild Adv but thats a losing battle.

all in all I say im pretty happy with the progress thats been made.