Given that nearly every post I made was an example of 1vs1 being used to find issues in PVP, I really expected more from you. But anyway, the key posts that seem to have gotten lost in the lockage:Originally Posted by shadowgod
Originally Posted by ChrysOriginally Posted by ChrysOriginally Posted by ChrysNote that Ebag's response to this can be summed up as "well some profs if they screw up will die too" and doesn't address the fundamental fact that we have insufficient options to begin with. Note also that the entire exchange that ensued was a good example of how examining one-on-one situations could inform ways to improve group balance. Again, shadowgod seems to have forgotten to read that part of the thread while trying to post his retort.Originally Posted by Corily
You think if people gangbang an agent, CH and UBT are going to save him? Of course not, but it's very good one-on-one. That's why so many agents kite all the time.
Anyone who's ever PVP'd traders before knows that this is one of the most hilariously luck-based results ever (though the odds are that the MP will win). A nice example of one-on-one being used to point out an issue in pvp.Originally Posted by Chrys
The simple fact is that 1-on-1 has always been the basis from which to start making changes for PVP. How else do you examine a profession's toolset to make changes? Look at stuff like Bullseye, which was fine and balanced in a 1-on-1 situation but exponentially OP in mass PVP.Originally Posted by Chrys
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What exactly do you contribute to the professionals programme in terms of tl7 issues, SG?Originally Posted by Chrys
I still don't get what you meant about me being an engy being a MP or whatever (hm was that a personal attack?).
I'm still yet to see Ebag show what nanos makes a MP so dangerous without actually killing anything.
I'm still yet to see either of you explain how our lack of alpha-protection in 1-on-1 is not exponentially worse in group pvp, the thing you guys claim is the only thing FC are interested in fixing (short of kiting, not being called, or other lamer ways of exploiting broken pvp mechanics). If you refuse to answer any other point, answer this one.
I'm still yet to see either of you show what area you'd like to see MPs go in the future. At tl7.
Which reminds me, you never did answer the question, SG: What tl7 experience do you have of live server issues such as towers, tara and other forms of group tl7 pvp? What about tl7 solo pvp experience?
I'd now like to ask you to demonstrate how post-LE changes in current PVP balance were not in fact, made based on feedback from situations relating to one-on-one. Hell we just found out that test server can barely get BS going, gawd knows how they ever test stuff there.
Only clear sign I'm getting from our professionals is that they want to cling to every red herring in an attempt to duck the real issues that they have no answer to, nor qualification/experience to speak about, hence why they frustrate the people who actually play their 220 MPs regularly and are failing in their task as professionals.
Edit: Oh yes, I forgot the most obvious example is that you won't realise how proc/kite reliant our "good" defenses are until you do 1-on-1. Which I pointed out way at the beginning... as well as in a thread months ago about our def. So if you want to know why I'm frustrated with professionals who either willfully ignore or just unable to understand what others are saying while twisting people's words, there you have it...
Is this better Ebag? All whatever can be construed as vaguely mocking removed.