Pocketing in PvP ruins PvP, healing should give flags

[Novafox]

There has never been as much lag in Borealis as there is now. I never used to lag into shops, now it happens constantly.

[Vlain]

maybe pvp can bring enough lag to bor that you will find a new city

<3 rehashing old topics

[pivits]

Hope FC will do something about this. Would be great. *hopes*

[Skankman]

I dunno if this has already been covered and frankly I wont waste my time to see if it has already been said, since resaying it will take far less time but...

Suppose you are standing in bor, you have just died after another terrible APF raid, you hit bio rejuv to restore your health a bit faster to full, that bio rejuv heals some lvl 5 guy hitting people with a chair in front of FT, you get a flag and get alphaed by 6 clanners who are camping you in hopes of outfarming damage on the other 5. Should this be?

I agree pocket healing is lame, but so is hitting a base and leaving and waiting for defenders to get bored, just an unavoidable part of the game. Some may say "make buff/heal restrictions like a 4 hour flag" Which would mean in short in twink warfare, someone brings a flag, you cant get rebuffed until the flag is gone..which may or may not be a good twist in twink pvp.

As lame as pocket healing is, it is even more lame to just stand and watch a fellow Omni/Clan/Neutral(lol) die, if its not a duel (and it never is) if an omni is getting attacked, with just a very few exceptions, unless I am currently fighting I will help them however I can on w/e character I happen to be on at the moment.

[IHaveHugeNick]

The might have been lags in Borealis before, but it was nothing compared to HUGE_LAGZ0RS and 5seconds freezes i get now.

[Wilsonat]

Ah ok, you use your same side AOE heal, and it somehow manages to heal someone not on your side. Test it in game, it won't heal neuts unless you are one. So then either one of your clan buddies set you up, in which case you deserved it, or you're pocketing. Besides, you shouldn't heal clanners anyways.

[Technogen]

Can someone please buy random some reading lessions.

OK random lets go over this again but slowly step by step so you can keep up with the rest of us.

"Novafox" is a Neut.
A level 5 neut whom is flaged runs by novafox when she is standing in bor.

Still with me?

As said level 5 flaged neut runs by, Novafox fires off her ONLY heal perk to heal herself since she is rezing. <She's an engie we've only got 1 heal line we can effectly perk>

Now Novafox is Flaged from using an AOE heal that hit this level 5 neut that was flaged, but not really incombat just running by.

Now Level 220 Clan/Omni agent sees novafox flaged <whom probly doesnt know they are flaged> and AS/perk/perk/BS Dead engie.

"Did you stay with me the whole way there? I really dont want to go over that again so just reread it a few times."

Now as for fixing it since to many people are to lazy to remove flags and just go to a 25% zone it would probly be best to make simple changes to the PVP Enabled nano itself.

I'd suggest coping the PVP level restrictions from the 4 hour nano to the 15 min one, along with making a Must be in team" and "Must have PVP EnabledV2" Running. to cast nanos on someone that has PVP EnabledV2. This would mean that you'd have to be in team to cast a nano on someone who has the PVP EnabledV2 running in their ncu. Would mean no more pocket docing and engies and others who accdently fire off an AOE nano inside a city wont get flaged themselfs.

Probly make 3 checks on it after thinking about it.

IS target in pvp range.
Is target in team.
Must have PVP Enabledv2 running.

You wouldnt beable to flag off other people you'd have to find a friendly guard so it would also get rid of ganking kinda. Gankers would just have to get flaged themselfs.

[Wilsonat]

hey tech, point to me where in this thread novafox says she's a neut, and not just ganked frequently by everyone.

And if she's healing level 5 people with a flag, pvping or not, she's pocketing and should burn in hell. Go use the surgery clinic that's 20 feet away in the nearest backyard, it's quicker and recharges nano.

[Technogen]

sorry you're right nova never did directly state that they are a neut. My many applogizes about forgetting you cant make leaps of logic.

Now flaming you aside I just gave you the fix for the pvp nano that would make it so people who dont want to pvp arent going to get ganked and esier for FC than your "give everyone a flag." idea that would make people angry.

[tweeky]

its quite simpleyou need 2 things

1. make all flags act like tower flags this prevents pocket healers out of range
2. make all simgle and team heals flag you, not perks they dont matter the amount of healing you get from perks isnt enough to casue a problem

the otehr problem when i have is people healing when its a fair one on one even if we dont say anything about dueling its pretty obvious this happened a few days ago a 150 fixer that pwns me was beating on my mp i was barely holding on but slowly killing him and a 151 doc (1 lvl out of my range nerf :P) started healing him which i couldnt come close to oding but thats off topic at least the doc was flagged

[Wilsonat]

Eh thet, what's the point then?

People don't pvp at towers for a reason.

edit: fixed typo

[Wakizaka]

Now what about a Keeper in your team?

[If6was9]

Now what about a Keeper in your team?

Very good question. Or a keeper's proximity heal. That's probably why this idea hasn't been implemented yet. Logically, healing someone in pvp should flag the healer AND be subject to the same level limits as fighting but then you've got a whole new set of challenges in implementing it.

[dantesho]

The way I see it, if you pocket someone who's fighting someone else you ENGAGE in combat. Therefore, healing someone who's flagged should give the healer flags.
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What if someone hits an area heal perk for the purpose of healing themselves but accidentally heals flagged peopl,? or hits their shadowbreed for the perception buff? Should they get a flag for that?

[Oddgrim]

yes flag everyone plx!

[tweeky]

its quite simpleyou need 2 things

1. make all flags act like tower flags this prevents pocket healers out of range
2. make all simgle and team heals flag you, not perks they dont matter the amount of healing you get from perks isnt enough to casue a problem

i guess i should expland on this

1: you cannot get buffed at alle xcept by people in your range this effectively stops pocketing but by people in your range
2: only make single and team heals flag you the only perks that i think would be a problem for pocketing are keeper perks

perks are not really a problem if you can only heal people in range of you lets look bio rejuv it heals 1kish?(depending) at 220 a 1k heal at 220 isnt a rpoblem at all but lets say at lvl 15 a 1k heal would be huge but since flag acts like gas you cant heal a lowbie so its ok, i just thought though maybe make the targeted heals flag you like keeper perks,bio regrow, stuff like that since its targeted i guess you are pocketing

[Wilsonat]

http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=215455

Along with about 6 other heal perks that do matter.

[nerfman]

can you please stop trolling this ... its a serious thread and i dont want some random idiots ruin it ... gg wilsonnat ..

[Saetos]

if a 220 doc pocket heals and gets flagged in front of SUBWAY, there's ... um, not much use, as 1) not many people go into subway at 220, and 2) I doubt anyone can kill a flagged 220 doctor... but I dunno.

[tweeky]

bgh has a 10min recharge and would not be relavent if you could onyl heal people in pvp range