Proposal for the Unified Clan Nation!!!

[Nevver]

((Er... I don't know what you two are getting at or if there are any personal problems going on between anyone but, to be clear, I was just doing my usual Omni-style spreading of BS. ))

[Astera]

((Er... I don't know what you two are getting at or if there are any personal problems going on between anyone but, to be clear, I was just doing my usual Omni-style spreading of BS. ))

((edited my statement to be clear who I am referring to. Sorry if you thought it was you. ))

[Nevver]

((Nope, I didn't think it was me; I didn't want anyone thinking I was saying something or other that I wasn't when I was just doing my evil thing. Thank you though.

Continue on and sorry about the OOC!))

[Kotts]

(( Kabulla... That's low, and it's bad form. you do not tell others what they should and should not do in IC terms or as for how they deside to play their toon(s). It reeks of powergameing.

Hell how about I send you my Logon and Pass, and you can just RP Kotts for me? how does that sound?

Childish and disgusting. Even more disgusting that I was told by you and several other from your Org that the tower issue would not be brought up again. From the looks of it it's still the anti-Assembly Banner you all were waveing a year ago.

Well at least now I know that your Word In character and out of character means Jack crap.

I was wondering why I kept getting snubbed on RP events. Though I'm very certain now it's due to *certain* people dragging my name though the mud, and telling others not to Rp with me or my Org mates. Childish. just Childish. ))

[steelyglint]

( Kabulla, i am disgusted that my org is being personally attacked in a political debate, attack myself, or my Leftenant if you will, but not my org, or it's members. what each member CHOOSES to do with their own time is quite franky none of your concern, I dont see TBC members getting on here telling you how you should be playing, If my members whish to participate in tower wars, they are by all means free too, if they want to farm patterns in ado, thats fine too. As long as they are haveing fun doing it. towers arnt the be all and end all of the game. make your political debate by all means, each of us is free to do so, but leave the tasteless low shots out of it)


Xenoclast "Steelyglint" Arai

Captain of The Black Company

[Tussa]

My clan obviously gets our funding from somewhere, but not towers. Where and how is none of your business, though, so when you ask such questions it's really just a waste of breath.

I'm sure that if you put two and two together, you could figure it out. Is the world so small, it only includes towers? Come on. We've never wanted towers, and we've never planned to include towers in our properties because we obviously can't keep them due to strict personnel policies. I'm sure you understand what it's like to sit around for four hours with a painted NCU, so to speak. Sure, it leaves us with less resources than say you guys, but we make do. It's a conscious choice that we're better off with.

So here's the lowdown. We're not a big clan. We're not a rich clan, and we're maybe eccentric in your eyes. We don't aim for being Number 1! on the tower mining battlefield either. What we have instead is a small force of people who trust each other and poke their noses in places other people haven't even thought of looking into.

Last I checked, being a Sentinel supporter didn't automatically translate to screaming bloody murder on some tower field that's just wrecking the otherwise beautiful scenery of Rubi-Ka. Sentinels do anything that harms the corporation. Anything. We do something with what we have. As far as I know and as far as I've understood from Commander Silverstone's reactions to what we've been doing, I don't see the problem. If we don't fit the stereotype you make up in your mind, then I'm glad.

What I'd also like you to think about is that like your clan, which your former leader Ms. Miyamoto herself admitted did not always see eye to eye with the Knights, ours has differences in standard practice with the real Sentinels. Though to be honest, I'm not going to be too surprised if you don't see it.


[You know...I don't get it. What is it with you people and your need to use the PvP as am arguement in a debate, Kabulla? Is it an act of desperation? "Oh yeah?! But...but...you don't PvP! SO THERE!". I couldn't care less what you and your flag-friends think of me as a non-PvP'er, but keep my clan out of it. It's a personal choice to PvP or not, but you trying to forcefeed YOUR playstyle on other people by using the age-old 'we don't see *you* fighting in towerwars, so therefore you're lame' isn't gonna win you any new friends. As if PvPing is some obscure mark of quality. So lay off trying to pull entire guilds into your mud and stop trying to force people into bloody PvP. Jerk.]

[Senggum]

(((I am very sorry you all took my post so personal. I don't wish to tell people how to play this game but, I must say this. Why RP Sentinal and not play Sentinal? I think it is a valid question. I my eyes what I see is a group of players "pretending" to be something and not showing it.)))

(((Kotts I am very sorry!!! I hold you in the highest respect for quiet a few reasons. I do not remember to agreeing to such terms but I will take your word for it. So once again I am sorry.)))

(((Now what I said was RPed nothing was from RL that is the way I RP Kabulla so please excuse him sometimes as he can get a little hot headed. I will no longer name individuals or orgs unless someone else does so first.)))

(((If you don't like what I say OC then don't respond im not going to hold back my IC views just to make a select few happy. This is how I RP you don't like it then don't respond.)))

[Kotts]

(( RPing a sentinel is does not have to be as ridgid as FC dictates. PVP is only one minor element. it seems like we don't do anything because that's how we play it. PVP is optional for our Org. We don't want Twinks in Assembly, nor our members with 5 fixer Alts in GA4 at level 20. Our Org is small and personal, and that's how we like it. if One of ours wants to tag along and take out a feild, by all means they can. We, as in the leadership will not and do not force them to do so.

The "you shouldn't be sentinels. Gaia, suits your clan better" angle was used more then I care to remember by few certain people, and your post sounded like it was right out of that playbook.

It's not appreciated. IC attacks are fine and dandy, but that *is* a sore spot. so be ready to get the horns. ))

[Senggum]

((( hehe I was thinking more New Dawn with a Sentinal twist....... but like I said its IC so can we try to keep it that way. I will never attack a person on how they choose to play AO but IC Kabulla does not feel you represent the Sentinal ideals. All im saying is lets try to keep it IC. Im sure you wouldn't like it if I flamed you for a IC remark OOC.)))

[Kotts]

(( Oh I know. I had the same done to me else where. Pot calling the kettle black and the whole thing. that speech was treading very close to an old argument, that I was told OOCly that it'd not be brought up again. and we've pretty well trashed this thread enough with OOC.

My Pm's are on. ))

[Twistshot]

((what I cant understand is how a group of RP'ers can sit here, get personaly offended by IC statements made against their clan when we in Aethyr have receved several and have not taken it personaly. As to those of you who think PvP is not RP I encourage you to drink a cup of coffee, pop a few no-doze and read up on AO one of the central points of the game is OMNI VS CLANS if pvp dosent personify this conflict then go play Dungens and Dragons online where there is no pvp at all, or Everquest 2 where it is limited to areans. Suck it up people, its just a game. This now ends my pure OOC posting in a IC thread))

[Twistshot]

Tussa, given your own personal responces each time Mr Silverstone spoke of attacking Omni mining feilds and taking them for the clans I would expect atleast a token effort from you and your clans, like wise from you and yours Astrea.

When it comes to taking the conflict to Omni-Tek you both need to either step up, or step out.

Dont want to hit mining sites? Fine, there are several OT outposts out there, some in clan territory, how about knocking over a few of those? Or the wondering OT personal around Tir?

[Tussa]

While some people choose to take a high interest in fighting over mining fields, others don't. There is enough different types of work to go around. There's plenty of pro-war ideology supporting clans that actively fight it out, day in and day out. If you have questions about that, I'll refer you to the Hammersmith brothers.

That said...what the hell do you know about whether or not members of this clan ever go out fighting or not? Unless you have a clone that's jacked into our channel 27/7, you wouldn't. Lay off it. Damn me if I'm ever going to take orders to "step up or step out" from the likes of you.


Oh, and I have one more thing to say about the "you doing/not doing xx goes against the political ideologies you subscribe to" thing...

Pot? This is kettle. You're black.

If you need to ask what I mean by that, by all means do. I'll be *happy* to tell the world. Thrilled. Even if it resorts to naming certain people.

[Twistshot]

Actualy the Aethyr Knights HAVE been active in mining feild conflicts and I also have participated, both as a combatant and in a support position, in tower conflicts.

And if that reference was to state that we are not following the Knights of Avalon as you believe we should?

The vast majority of the Omni-Tek feilds we hit were owned by companies that had displayed a high level of agresion towards the clans, we have also helped several clan groups recover lost mining feilds. Several groups that were once highly agressive towards the clans have contacted Xaun in order to arange a cease fire of sorts, with them holding what they have and not expanding and with us not destroying the few peicies of equipment that they have left.

Just because we hope for a peacefull outcome dose not mean we will alow us, the clans as a whole, to be walked all over to achive it.

[Tussa]

That's not what I meant.

[I know that sounded to 'you're not fighting either', so I did a small change to the wording. It's now -> "you doing/not doing xx goes against the political ideologies you subscribe to". Sorry about that.]

[Hermiaa]

Erm... so... yeah. Not sure exactly what towers and mining has to do with the internal political situation of the Clans, but so long as you're all having fun... I'll just stand over here and be somewhat confused and vaguely disgusted as to where this debate ended up.

If we're going to resort to name calling and mudslinging, instead of actually handing the business of sorting out our future, I'm pretty sure that any notion of a unified clan leadership is doomed from day one. Put aside the commentary, insult each other in private comms, step into that mudwrestling pit in Tir for all I care, but don't put it in front of matters that will help our war effort. Not to sympathize too much with the Sentinels, gods forbid that, but there is something of a war going on, and this crap isn't helping anyone but OT.

[Monczeleet]

If we're going to resort to name calling and mudslinging, instead of actually handing the business of sorting out our future, I'm pretty sure that any notion of a unified clan leadership is doomed from day one.

~they started it~ *mutters*

Seriously, though - back to the topic at hand. How can I support a proposal for a government in which the President "will be expected to ... handle foreign relations policy such as negotiating with ICC, Omni-Tek, the Neutrals or other Hyper-corps"?

Negotiate? With Omni-Tek?!

Such a system surely marginalises anything but an anti-conflict face on the government. Coincidentally, it seems to marginalise the political attitude of a large number of the clans.

I do understand that "this is just the basic idea for the Unified Clan Nation, not what is going to be put into effect" (by the way, who said anything about "is going to be"?) - that is precisely why I must make my opinions known now.

[Kotts]

Dont want to hit mining sites? Fine, there are several OT outposts out there, some in clan territory, how about knocking over a few of those? Or the wondering OT personal around Tir?

Did that, Did that, and Did that. Next?

Oh wait that doesn't count no does it? because those aren't the *real* omnis are they?

Tell you what, Twisty. you got a promblem with me, then why don't you and I take it up in the arena? Oh wait.. that's right... I can't even shoot ya because of the Clearance restrictions... Huh... guess that's from all those Omni I *didn't* kill... same for all the Tokens I got on my Paragon board too... from the OT I didn't kill...

Yeah, that's right. We do alot of nothing. *rolls his eyes* Typical self rightous Knight.

(( and I take it personal when we've been over this dead horse before, and yet *you* keep bringing hte same argument up even though you are *WRONG* on so many levels. Grow up and go to hell. in any order you prefer.

You all have broken your word with me alone IC and OOC. So yes I'm gonna take that personal. Don't ever expect another favor from *me* ever again.

Also if you don't take IC comments personal, then what was with all the OOC attacks?

Uh huh... Riiiiight. Have fun with your lil carbon copy CoT. Word of advice, People choose whom they follow. You cannot make them follow you with threats and insults. It's about trust and respect, and as for me and Kotts you have none from ether of us. ))

[Javan]

((I think this needs to be pointed out in a very clear and percise manner...PvP is NOT a prerequsite for RP. That being said anyone who thinks that you must PvP to RP needs to go out and actually study military tatics and history to learn that everyone in the Army is not a combatant. The most inportant fields are those of intelligence. With that being said the next person that comes along and tries saying "If you don't PvP in RP you are useless" is going on my perma RP event ban. And if you want to bring PvP into this most of the tower battles I've noticed going on in the past few months have been initated by a non RP group.]


It is rather insulting that a grunt tries to insult the intelligence community. I would like to remind him of an old saying on Earth "Knowldge is power". And if you don't mind I would love for you to post the names of some of the orgizinations that have come crawling to Ayther Knights begging for a ceasefire.

[Monczeleet]

It is rather insulting that a grunt tries to insult the intelligence community. I would like to remind him of an old saying on Earth "Knowldge is power".

Not to mention the belittlement of my own contribution in mining conflicts. I will admit that it has been limited (due to other commitments more appropriate to the remit of our organisation), and mostly in a support capacity (as if that makes any difference), but I take grave offence that that contribution has been ignored to cast what was in the first place an entirely spurious aspersion on the 'usefulness' of our organisation.

I also have to say that it's a very strange attitude for someone who's currently trying to recruit intel specialists to be taking.