Fixer Versus Doc

[Megabio]

Well, to start out with, this could be applied to most professions.. NTs, Soldiers, et cetera.

But, due to the fact that I have a fixer, I shall use him as an example.

Here are our stats:

Me [gridphreaky]
ACs: 2.657 Energy AC
Gun: QL 154 Mausser
Level: 96
Maxed Duck Evades (487 with Grid Surfer applied)

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Doc (unamed)
ACs: 2.4k Proj
Gun: QL 154 Vektor
Level: 104
N/A Evades (I did not crit on him though)

Here is how the fight went:

I opened up with a 300 damage burst.

I started hitting anywhere from 40-70 damage every 2-3 seconds.

The doctor began by doing a regular hit, critted for 637, and then a few more regular hits. (reg hit = ~130 damage a hit)

I had a bad HoT, the doc had a pretty good HoT on.

Now, this is all good and dandy. Everyone knows they are gonna get owned by a doc these days. However. The thing was, the doctor did not need to heal.

He had 75% health when I died. Without his HoT, he would have had about 40% health.

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So, WITH NO HEALS, a doc outdamages me. I have maxed evades (which would be higher than a docs due to green and surfer). I had more ACs than he did in the damage area.

So, exactly what is this?

Please, rant on!
~Chris

[__________Stitchings]

outside shot, but: compare skill in your weapons, attack rating, and crit buffs. Was the doc crit buffed? Was his attack rating higher than your evades (i.e. did he have crazy implants in)? Or maybe he just got really lucky. =/

[Megabio]

Originally posted by Stitchings
outside shot, but: compare skill in your weapons, attack rating, and crit buffs. Was the doc crit buffed? Was his attack rating higher than your evades (i.e. did he have crazy implants in)? Or maybe he just got really lucky. =/

He did have SubG on, but I did as well (there was an MA around).

Well, this gets me slightly angry, I mean, I know, my class isn't exactly the 'uber damage dealing profession' either, but to get 3x outdamaged is irratating.
~Chris

[Xeni]

implants??

the treatment is easier for docs to raise i think.
With level difference he had some 260k ip more that u to use, and skills not capped anymore.

[_______________Esmee]

What exactly is your point anyway?
Do you plan on posting the results of everyone that beats you and figure that their profession needs to be nerfed somehow?
Someone was better equipped for the fight and beat you fair and square and you're complaining why?

I really want to know what your point is, this is what it seems like..you got beaten and are crying that every doctor should be bound and gagged so you can win the fight. Is it every doctor or just every profession that beats you? I would love to know how many people that complain about doctors in pvp have titles above Freshman. I know of like two doctors off the top of my head above Freshmen yet see people with apprentice or better complaining. Get real. just what the game needs more nerfs.

I'm a doctor and get easily easily easily easily beaten in two seconds by an MP almost 40 levels below me. am i complaining..no. grow up.

[__________Stitchings]

whoa whoa whoa esmee, calm down. Take a look at his original post. Two things: first of all, the doc was not equipped better than he was. Second of all, nowhere does he state that docs should be "bound and gagged" just because one doc beat him in a pvp fight. I inquired about the doc's combat skills - it is quite possible that the doc was using far superior implants to mega, increasing his crit potential to the point where he was able to crit several times on him. I cannot account for the fact that he was unable to crit on a doc with very low evades, though. I sparred with a level 90ish doc with a vektor the other day just for fun - I had very low duck skill as well and he was still able to crit me every so often.

[______________Yazule]

I *think* I know what doc he is talking about and he is good

[______________Taelyn]

What the heck is up with shotguns here? Why are they the uber weapon? They have enormous criticals, and decent regular damage. This doesn't even mention that most of them use less skills than your average melee weapon or assault rifle. I'm curious, am I the -only- one that thinks shotguns are way, way, way outta wack?

I only say that because I got tired of seeing L40 traders doing 1k damage to monsters every third hit while the best I have -ever- done at L55 is 400 (and I think that was a brawl).

[Kinkstaah]

Its more the fact that the Vektor Shotgun is a better weapon all round than the Mausser, and has better crits.

Also docs, with their own doc buffs would have made up that 40% that he would have ordinarily had left.

But.. I wonder if NON RANGED COMBAT CLASSES (doc).
Well docs are non combatesque all together. Should all these non weapon specialists get harder IP costs to raise shotgun?

A level 104 trader with a QL150 shotgun is expected.. but a doc? Or a NT? Or an enforcer? Or .. you get the idea.

Considering the DOc has an elite gun, and best heals, and DOTS, etc - Is this really fair?

Of course I understand the need for a backup weapon to even fights out.. but is the Vektor just too good for a "Backup" weapon?

Interesting to see DISCUSSION ON THIS. NOT FLAMES. NOT SCREAMS FOR NERFS. I PERSONALLY CAN TAKE DOWN VEKTOR PEOPLE SO IT CAN BE DONE

SO DONT SCREAM FOR NERFS :P

But discuss intelligently, and rationally!

Side note : 487 is not a high duck rating. His ATK would be WAY above you. His Crits would hurt a LOT more than yours.

Put simply, he would get WAY MORE out of that +8% crit buff than you would.

Crit buffs are unbalancing in pvp... I personally dont think they should be allowed, making them MA only could be interesting for pvp in terms of being more balanced.

DISCUSSIONS? :P

[__________Stitchings]

Shotgun is a dark, dark blue skill for docs to raise. Docs can also only raise it 4 points per level, as opposed to a trader who can raise it 5. Therefore at level 100 a doc would have maybe 50 less base skill than a trader of the same level after dead levels, and would have spent maybe twice as much IP to get there. I don't believe that this is unfair; it is simply the doc's IP spending choice. Now, if you are talking about the Vektor by itself... I personally agree that it is easily the best weapon that uses only one weapons skill in the game. But that's why you see backup classes using it. If they nerfed the Vektor, I personally think all the Vektor users would just jump to Home Defenders.

Also, there are two problems here: one pvp, one pvm. Many people think powerful gun + powerful heals = assured win. Not having pvped much, I'm not going to comment on this. But the second problem is that of doc soloability. I have seen many complaints that docs are unable to solo, for one reason or another. Shotguns help alleviate that cheaply. By no means am I saying that for a doc to solo he/she MUST use a shotgun. But you don't win fights from defense alone.

Lastly, 487 duck vs. a doc's shotgun skill should still produce less crits than negligible dodge versus a fixer's SMG skill, in my opinion.