--==(( A Fair PvP Title System ))==--

[_________________Nim]

LMAO OMFG
damn natlie dont u ever quit maybe if u spent less time posting on anti pvp ideas, and pvp suggestions u could actually train your char to be a decent pvper instead or a uber whiner. im flaming u and plz go to neocron the grass is always greener on the other side.
AND FYI neocron is a bigger fan of pvp then ao, guess u didnt read the faq enough times. in neocron your title is your soul light so instead of having a title u get dif colored soul lights, hmm where this idea come form???? o yea they got it it came from uo with pks being banned from towns and being red. lmao and u hated uo right? neocron gonna be pretty the same as uo when it comes to pks and is in fact more pk freindly then ao.except for the major city section with copbots every where else u can flag for pvp and they even got a town for outlaws. plz go to neocron cause ill be there to greif u

o btw in caseu didnt know
in all mmorpgs there are a few elements
Carebears
pks
gankers
exploiters
dupers
Natlies hmm i said care bears already
so go try a dif game is pks bother u so much i think they making a new elmo game my daughter was talking bout other day

[_______________Sware]

I am not against PvP at all infact I like it. The reason I support your idea is that would prevent a lvl 200 make fun of a lvl 100. If the idea is improved maybe 'a satisfying plan for both sides' could be worked out.

What I see here is lots of high school kids or in the same IQ lvl ppl vomiting bull****e here. She has an idea and stated it. I liked it you may not. I couldnt care less as well. If you see something wrong about what others said just point them out in a nice manner.

[_____________Natelie]

*Agrees with Sware*

[_____________Natelie]

On the PvP/ PvM Pole

http://forums.anarchy-online.com/sho...threadid=25852

Suggests that the majority of AO players are PvM's and aren#t interested in PvP.


On the biggest problems pole
http://forums.anarchy-online.com/sho...threadid=36474

Suggests that most poeple consider ''Storyline'' a problem.

My system promotes organized battles and events planning.

There may be alot of Flamers here, and it SEEMS as if ''Everyone'' doesn't like my idea, but lets let the poles speak for themselves.

My own pole about PvP
http://forums.anarchy-online.com/sho...threadid=36571

One cannot say that i am the only one thinking this way.

[ThePartisan]

Yes, let's remove pvp, you are so right, Natelie.

Now let this thread die. There's nothing more to say.

[_____________Natelie]

- Atlavan

''Yes, let's remove pvp, you are so right, Natelie.''

In what way does my proposed system listed above remove PvP?

If u believe PvP is built on the foundation of injustice then it does reflect the true nature of PvP, right?

''Now let this thread die. There's nothing more to say.''
I'm sowwy, but i'm not the only one wanting PvP to be fair and fun.

[Razzitazz]

I'm only going to jump into this thread because it really, really pisses me off.

There are few things that I really enjoy doing in this game, but PvP -- whether head-to-head, sneaky or twam -- is easily the most fun.

I swear to whatever god anytime I see you in a PvP zone I wil fight you, win or lose. If there is a chance that PvP is f00ked because of your dumbass comments, I better get my chance now.

You know something? You have choices. I read your post about wanting some piece of armor and the only place to get it is 2h0. Then you get there and get ganked. Too bad, you have other ways to retrieve that armor. Take an alternate route, find another mission, buy it from another.

With the removal of the mayhem zones we have left only four real places to PvP -- Tir Arena, MMD, 2H0 and Camelot. Omni Arena sucks because people exploit the zoning and its too small, Mort has no one in it anymore, etc. With all the tons of other playfields why do you complain? I know you won't get missions in Camelot Castle, Tir Arena or MMD so just STAY THE HELL OUT OF 2H0!.

[______NWvoicesStink!]

Getting PvP points brings the EVIL out of anyone, like the 180 OT agent that likes to sneak MDD and kill levels 75-140 so it seems. EVIL!! EVIL!!

Alli that 160ish Clan MA he too sneaks (so evil). Then a level 87 MA makes a run for the grid access, then Alli appears with his green flamed fists, then the level 87 MA runs back to the 75% zone.

A OT level 108ish soldier that i befriend made countless efforts for the gridaccess but Alli was always there, then i soon joined in the killing ( the evil arrose within me!!)

All those level 12s with super twinkage as their life story, brutaly slaughtering one another for freshman - rookie title. and make a run for the for the near by backyard, or shop when getting thier arses kicked.

btw what is a duel? where one on one with absolutely no outside buffs, one on one with outside buffs, or a level 180 asking a level 140 for a duel?

When that Trader steps in the arena everyone splits! the corpulant trader with the cowboy hat and a sabbertooth as a pet, that sells cars in Omni-Entertainment. Who ever thought that they would be one of the best combat minions? (i think its just wrong, the sybex offical strategy manual by Chris W. McCubbin under page 60-61 of the Trader overview "No real offensive capability." " Weapons are strictly for emergencies only for this Profession." many more down talk read pages 60-61 in the guide, trader is one of the best of the best in AO).

ALL, ALL FOR THE TITLE!!! ALL TO BE ON THE MOST WANTED LIST! ALL FOR THE HEARTRACING MOMENTS OF PvP!!!

[_________________Mor]

Originally posted by Mor

I'm interested in hearing ideas for PvP, from PvPers who care about it. Not from someone who has called us Osama, Terrorists, Black and living in the Ghetto (which you said to me once) and every other kind of remark you have used

Originally posted by Natelie

Sorry but that's the impression that i get... Care to prove otherwise?

Osama killed alot of Americans in real life because he feels we are evil and because we defend Israels right to exist. If I play a game of Quake and kill pixels on the screen, does that equal me to being a terrorist who kills real life people like this man has done? If I take part in the battle between Omni and the Rebels (AOs story) and go into a zone that allows this battle, does that make me a terrorist? If you go into a war zone, you get a war and... it's a game. If you decide to play Quake, you get a war. Most games have players compete against each other, heck even chess is the that way too. Comparing us PvPers (players versus players) to Osama sickens me as an American who hates this man for what he has done to us IN REAL LIFE.

As for the part about me being black and living in the ghetto, I am not black nor live in the ghetto. And yes considering me to be black as if it's a bad thing *is* racist. I guess to you all PvPers are black.

And no one who cares about PvP, wants to hear from a person like you, who shows what you think of us time and time again. Do you want us PvPers to post how the game should not have any safe zones? It would be wrong for others that want them huh? So stop your damn anti-pvp carebearish attacks against people that unlike you, like a challege and a little danger that they decide to go into. Heck, the whole games story is based on this conflict.

[_________________Mor]

Originally posted by Natelie
On the PvP/ PvM Pole

http://forums.anarchy-online.com/sho...threadid=25852

This pull is pure BS. Making players decide between PvP and PvM is foolish since all those that PvP also PvM, and even more so considering how Funcom ruined what little fun we can get out of PvP right now. This don't mean we just give up on it, we try to enjoy whatever we can from it till something better comes along. I'm a bigtime PvP fan and even I can say PvP is not always fun in AO as it is in other games, but any attacks on allowing players this option or removing PvP steals my hope that it can be improved in the future, and you will have me to deal with on these boards.

Try asking players if they want all PvP zones to be removed and see what kind of response you get.

You said time and time again what you think of us, what I think you are is an extreme socialist carebear, who thinks any form of competition is wrong because you don't have the skills or the know-how to compete with the rest of us.

[______NWvoicesStink!]

Mor when i say evil im not refering to any nation or race. ;/ Im refering to the many people that have "evil" thoughts every time they see a green health bar of player on their screen in a 25% zone.

or are you refering to the thread starter? o_O ------- your reply being under mind makes me think your refering to my reply. . . .

Passionate players i understand . . .

[_________________Mor]

Originally posted by Wangtanq
Mor when i say evil im not refering to any nation or race. ;/ Im refering to the many people that have "evil" thoughts every time they see a green health bar of player on their screen in a 25% zone.

or are you refering to the thread starter? o_O ------- your reply being under mind makes me think your refering to my reply. . . .

Passionate players i understand . . .

lol no... I was talking to Natelie, I even posted what she said and replied to it. I didn't even read your post so I have no idea what you're talking about. No offence, just not alot of time to read them all.

[______NWvoicesStink!]

No worries no offense taken.

Your post kinda freaked me out!

[_______________Sware]

PvP ers just do PvM to get lvls for PvP...

[______________Zzzzzz]

[q]Therefore i proposed the above system which promotes PvP in a war setting, following the traditional morale codex of war, which protects the innocent from getting killed[/q]

In war, innocent people always die. There is no going around it.

[Razzitazz]

Originally posted by The_Guy_on_the_couch
[q]Therefore i proposed the above system which promotes PvP in a war setting, following the traditional morale codex of war, which protects the innocent from getting killed[/q]

In war, innocent people always die. There is no going around it.

Well said!

[Turin]

Originally posted by SuperSolid
A anti pvp'er posting pvp ideas...


Isn't it ironic, don't you think?

maybe she is tired of being griefed and ganked, and wants you guys to stop killing her un titled self.

[Turin]

Originally posted by Intrepid
I remember once someone titled ganked one of my lower level characters for no reason really. So i logged on a high level character and ganked him resulting in the loss of his title. Now thats what i call revenge. Was funny cause the person went on ranting how i ganked them.

I did this a few timesalso. sweet revenge it was. They were ganking my lvl 17 trader. so, i loggefd in my high lvl doc, teamed with a lowbie, ( he was 120 at the time I think, my doc ) and wiped the floor with the offending ganker repeatedly . Wash and rinse.

[_____________Natelie]

Ladies and Gentlemen!

I am now officially returning to the Q&A routine under popular demand! So check for ur name underneath, and see what i think/hate/agree about what u have said! =)
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Piercingevil-
''I'm only going to jump into this thread because it really, really pisses me off.''

I'm going to jump ur rant cuz it really really pisses me off.
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Wangtanq-

''Getting PvP points brings the EVIL out of anyone, like the 180 OT agent that likes to sneak MDD and kill levels 75-140 so it seems. EVIL!! EVIL!!''

I'm glad u understand the essence of this porposal. I thank u for understanding me, Wang. =)
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Mor- (aahhh... my favourite...)

''If I play a game of Quake and kill pixels on the screen, does that equal me to being a terrorist who kills real life people like this man has done? If I take part in the battle between Omni and the Rebels (AOs story) and go into a zone that allows this battle, does that make me a terrorist?''

Those Quake3 Bots are controlled by emotionless AI.

Those AO Players are controlled by human beings with feelings, who paid to have some fun.

Thus if u play Quake3 shredding Quake 3 Bots, then ur normal. You just wanna have some fun without the expense of other's fun.

But if u intentionally kill players (Those poeple with emotions and dedication to their free-time) several levels lower then you and have no title, get shot by u, THEN you are indeed no different then a Terrorist/Criminal/Psychopath/Massacrist/Serial Killer/Murderer/Butcher.

Because YOU BLOODY KNOW that u SHOT Player controlled Chars!!!

U BLOODY KNOW that they would throw the PC out the window after u shot them!!!!!!!

''but any attacks on allowing players this option or removing PvP''

My system does not remove PvP. I do not (for the 7th time) INTEND to REMOVE PVP.

It allows PvP amognst the PvP community, whislt leaving other players out of it, until THEY want to join!

''Most games have players compete against each other, heck even chess is the that way too. ''

Poeple play chess cuz they agree to do so.
If that person looses, he will accept that fact and find it rather entertaining even and i speak out of experience.

But if u kill a player against his/her will, what fun is that to ur opponent?

''As for the part about me being black and living in the ghetto, I am not black nor live in the ghetto. And yes considering me to be black as if it's a bad thing *is* racist. I guess to you all PvPers are black.''

I am so not racist. I take back what i said. If u do not believe me, then consider ur next assumption of me being a racist an insult.

And no one who cares about PvP, wants to hear from a person like you, who shows what you think of us time and time again.

Thank to poeple like u who can't make a good argument/debate without spreading propaganda. You do not know everything for sure, therefore who the hell are u to say that?

Let me show u an example of ur propaganda JUST now:

''no one who cares about PvP''
The non- PvP-ers who u shoot down everyday.

''wants to hear from a person like you,''
Who's trying to defend them from u murderers?

''who shows what you think of us time and time again''
You use the word ''us'' making it sound like ''everyone''.
I think u should change that word to ''us murderers''.

''Do you want us PvPers to post how the game should not have any safe zones?''

Sure. Why not =)
Mor, start a post like that and see if u can endure as much flames as me, cuz surely, the majority of AO Players will find that suggestion unreasonable. However if u put through a good argument and can defend ur points, sure.

Bewarned tho, Trolls will insult u and go WWAAYYYY off topic to play around with u.

So stop your damn anti-pvp carebearish attacks against people that unlike you, like a challege and a little danger that they decide to go into. Heck, the whole games story is based on this conflict.

''like a challege and a little danger that they decide to go into. ''

My proposed system promotes that, but protects those not wanting to participate.

I assume (please forgive me if i am wrong) that u think everyone who enters a PvP zone WANTS to PvP yes?

Sorry, that's not the case.

There will always be circumstances where a person who does not wanna PvP enters a PvP zone, wether it's a n00bie wanting to defect, or another person, camping something in that zone (Fixer Quest).

''Heck, the whole games story is based on this conflict.''

Ever saw 2HO become clan territory? What does PvP change? Tell me? How does randomly killing low level players change the story line?

U tell me.

Yes Mor.... I'm back in bizz.. *smiles*
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Sware-
''PvP ers just do PvM to get lvls for PvP...''

Thus i'ma make another pole which makes the point more viable and accurate and Mor-Propaganda-Proof. =P
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The_Guy_on_the_couch -

''In war, innocent people always die. There is no going around it.''

Horrible right? Why not make war fun for once? It's an artificial war.

The author/scripter of the movie ''terminator 2'' made the terminator gatling through the police blockade blowing up vehicles etc. At the end the display showed ''No casualties''. Why? Because the all mighty scripter said so. Terminator II is an artificial war. So is AO.

We want fun, not the same horrors all over again that our grand grand fathers had to go through at WW2. As if it's not a challenge already to stay alive in RL.
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Turin-

That too.

My Dimach/Nano Resist/Concealement implants are 75 percent done... when i get them in, i'm sure those terrorists will leave me alone.

An Oath do i swear tho, to not attack anyone, except those who have killed me before and/or attack me first, for I am a pacifist and a protector of the innocent.
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Natelie has spoken.

[_________________Mor]

Originally posted by Natelie

Those Quake3 Bots are controlled by emotionless AI.

Im talking about Quake 3 Arena which is a player versus player FPS. Counterstrike or Medal of Honor: Allied Assault, if you don't know what Q3A is. So everything you said has now become meaningless unless FPS (First Person Shooter) games are in fact evil.

In AO, if you are Omni (which I guessing you are) or Rebel, you have just signed up for the conflict between the 2 sides. You still can't be harmed however, unless you go into one of the very few zones that allow this war to take place. So it is by your own hand that you can be killed. It's like the saying, "You can't put your hand into the fire without it being burned"

Originally posted by Natelie


Those AO Players are controlled by human beings with feelings, who paid to have some fun.

Alot of games pit players verus players (PvP). If you win at these games, someone else will lose. To say all losing is evil and games should not allow competition, is a socialistic viewpoint. And that is another debate all-together.

Originally posted by Natelie

Because YOU BLOODY KNOW that u SHOT Player controlled Chars!!!

U BLOODY KNOW that they would throw the PC out the window after u shot them!!!!!!!

If I play games that allow me to compete against a real player, someone will win and someone will lose. But no I don't expect them to throw their PC out the window if they don't win. Should all sports be removed as well since someone will win and someone will lose? I expect the loser to act like an adult and not throw their PC out the window (that to much to ask?). If I were to lose, I expect myself to understand it's a game and better luck nextime. This is more a debate over if games should allow competition between players. You must understand as well, that this war between Omni and the Rebels can only take place in a very few zones that you decide if you want to enter or not.

Originally posted by Natelie


But if u kill a player against his/her will, what fun is that to ur opponent?

It almost always will be against the will of your opponent because no one wants to lose. If that player decides to enter into a war zone, that much is not against their will though. The players hand/mind decides what the character will do or what risks he/she wishes to take.