Research & +XP (rings/baton/directorship)=?

[Koizumi]

Hey there peeps.
A thing came to my mind, as yesterday smbdy told me that research IS affected by +XP stuff.
Weird thing, as i really think i saw somebody from FC saying sth totally opposite...
Anyone remembers who/where/IF?

[Xyphos]

I think the devs would have a better idea of what is going on rather then another player's assumption.

for example, I have research on 10% at all times
if I gained 500k xp in a kill, 47k goes to research - definitly not 10%

therefore, xp gain does NOT effect research.

[Koizumi]

therefore, xp gain does NOT effect research.

Yea, i remember something said about side exp/xp perks/xp items/symbiants not affecting it and im rpetty sure somebody from FC said it, heck couldnt find it yet

[Graftmage]

just test on inf spirit or something

[Demoder]

I've figured it works like this:
1) Incoming XP
2) Add +xp buffs
3) % to personal/global research, substract from gained xp, add to respective research. If research is capped, throw the overflow back into the gained XP
4) calculate recoup based on gained xp
5) cap XP gain (10% of a level if mob, 20% of level if mission reward)
6) calculate sidexp based on gained xp
7) add capped XP, sidexp and recouped xp to the XP bar.

Or something very close to that.

Edit: See here for more info.

[Juggernat]

Proof XP buffs affects research

Don't believe me then go test it, you need mobs of the same type and the same level. So level 195 spirits in either Inf spirit room or 165 in pen's

148 of your SK were allocated to your personal research. without Baton
157 of your SK were allocated to your personal research With 9% Baton
211 of your SK were allocated to your personal research with 9% Baton + 50% perk
238 of your SK were allocated to your personal research with 9% Baton +75% perk
265 of your SK were allocated to your personal research with 9% Baton +100% perk

That is on my 220 crat

[mes]

Overall research is just XP which converts into permanent buffs by certain percentage, so everything, including side xp, symbiants and said crat buffs count.

[Demoder]

Overall research is just XP which converts into permanent buffs by certain percentage, so everything, including side xp, symbiants and said crat buffs count.

Side XP does not count.
It is calculated after research XP is calculated.
Everything else counts.

I hate to quote myself, but here goes.

Then find me another explanation why 50% assignment to research adds less ammount to research than to xp bar, when the research/xp is not capped.. and the xp difrence is exactly what sidexp would add up to?

I supply new stats from 2 minutes ago:
Research: 50% personal, 0% global. Level 6 research, Hostile Negatiations 6.

622 of your SK were allocated to your personal research.
You gained 701 points of Shadowknowledge.
You gained 79 points of Shadowknowledge as a side bonus.

GainedXP - gained sidexp = xp allocated to personal research
701-79 = 622
SideXP is NOT calced into research.

That's 79SK not added to research. When you kill a couple thousand monsters, that adds up to be quite a bit.

Funcom: please, give us a reason for this?

Of course.
I haven't seen anything about this being changed in any patch notes, but they may have ninjafixed it.
I'll run a new test momentarily.

[Demoder]

50% personal research into Strategic Planning 7. 0% global research. (there ain't any to do anyway)
Level 180 soldier.

Prime Devourer of Light
Level: 215

352824 of your XP were allocated to your personal research.
You received 557734 xp.
28497 xp was gained as a side bonus!
You recouped 176412 of your previously lost experience - remaining to be recouped: 36896216.

That's:
557734-176412=381322 (remove recouped from gained xp)
Thereof, 28497 xp is from the 8.07% sidebonus.
381322-28497=352825 (XP minus sidebonus)

XP minus sidebonus = 352825
XP into research = 352824
I suspect the +/- 1 is caused by misinformation in the "recouped XP" message.

Everything was done with 9% baton and 2% commanding presence.

[Koizumi]

So it'd be actually best to wear pred chest, 2 xp rings and xp guns while running research mishz eh? :>
Good i still have ~160 advanced experience constructs
Well, thx for help guys

[egadsrk2]

Don't forget the 14% from implants. The Ljotur Sleeves. And other junk. And anniversary stims that will be around in near limitless quantities for the rest of AO's history.

When I pocket (220 DD doing the damage for two like a pregnant woman eats for two) or put a toon in a kite team, I'm usually in the vicinity of 73% cratless, static.

And it is so freakin' sweet on research and anything else.

[Shiekah]

SK = ((Faction/50000 x Base XP) + Side XP%) x Add XP.

This is the formula for SK for lvl 200+, Research is exactly the same except that Side xp is not calculated. Base XP is what I refer to as being the amount of XP a mob gives without any form of add xp or side xp. In other words, what you get with no XP bonuses at all.

Research = (Faction/50000 x Research% x Base XP) x Add XP.

Example.

1. You have 25000 Faction
2. Your research is set to 70%
3. The mob your fighting gives a Base XP of 2000
4. You have 15% add xp
5. You have 5% side xp

(25000/50000 x 0.7 x 2000) x 1.15

= (0.5 x 0.7 x 2000) x 1.15
= 700 x 1.15
= 805

805 SK will go into research, as for the amount of SK you will get...

((25000/50000 x 0.3 x 2000) x 1.05) x 1.15

= ((0.5 x 0.3 x 2000) x 1.05) x 1.15
= (300 x 1.05) x 1.15
= 315 x 1.15
= 362.25 (which will round down to 362)

So you will get 805 into Research and 362 Shadowknowledge.

A way you can test this is to work backwards from a different angle.

2000 x 0.3 x 1.05 x 1.15

= 724.5

724.5 is exactly double of 362.25 which is what you would expect with 25k faction.

If you have any further questions ill do my best to answer them for you.