Sentinels answer....

[Naefen]

Id like to hear some comments on the allegations that The Sentinels were the ones who shot down the craft who led to that "ruckus" some time ago.

[SneakyPax]

Isn't it pretty obvious they were responsible for all that mess?
OUR crafts don't drop out of the skies because of a malfunction nor can the pilot be blamed for it, for I heard we're growing them aviators in vets for that sole purpose.. but I'm no scientist so it could be a rumor I caught up somewhere in Omni-Med while I heard some DNA-nerds debating... but I'm drifting off topic.
*coughs*
I'm not accusing The Sentinels in the first place.. Sentinels, Vanguards, Gaia, Pilgrims.. they all look the same to me anyways. Spineless terrorists who ain't got the balls to confess THEY shot down our craft - all hiding in the so called Council of Truth.

[Xhairs]

I think most would try to stick it under the rug and keep it quiet if they actualy did something like this. But not the Sentinels, Silverstone would use it as a propagand victory to boost Sentinel recruitment.

The Dust Brigade? 50/50 there. They could keep it under wraps to let the Clans take the balme, but they could also spread the news to make people fear them even more.

No, this is something else i think. I heard that sound, i felt that vibration in my skull. I think this is unlike anything we have ever seen before.

[Chrioset]

naw the Dust Brigade are a bunch of loud mouths and more than likeley they'll say something.

[______________Xtraav]

Originally posted by PaxCorpus
Isn't it pretty obvious they were responsible for all that mess?
OUR crafts don't drop out of the skies because of a malfunction nor can the pilot be blamed for it, for I heard we're growing them aviators in vets for that sole purpose.. but I'm no scientist so it could be a rumor I caught up somewhere in Omni-Med while I heard some DNA-nerds debating... but I'm drifting off topic.
*coughs*
I'm not accusing The Sentinels in the first place.. Sentinels, Vanguards, Gaia, Pilgrims.. they all look the same to me anyways. Spineless terrorists who ain't got the balls to confess THEY shot down our craft - all hiding in the so called Council of Truth.

Pilgrims? Now gimme a break, you should get you facts right before you post. This sounds like typical OT brainwashing talk, everyone who is not with you, is against you.

The fact that OT is testing new weapons and technology, and that it didn´t go like they planned doesn´t give you the right to accuse innocent and peaceful organisations.

I wouldn´t come as a surprise if OT shot down their own craft only to have more reasons to kill innocent clan farmers...

The dust brigade doesn´t have the resources to stage such a coupe... all they can do is kill women and children, they are the worst scum, even worse than OT

[Naefen]

Originally posted by Xtraav




I wouldn´t come as a surprise if OT shot down their own craft only to have more reasons to kill innocent clan farmers...

Omni Tek is a corporation whose goal is to make money. There would be very little profit sacrificing a craft like that just to kill some farmers. And I havent read anywhere that any farmers were killed in this incident. Only armed men and women.

Very happy to see you have recognized the Dust Brigade though as the true enemy. We should all crush them together before its to late.

[Xhairs]

Don´t underestimate the Dust Brigade. They are not as dangerous as they would like us to think they are, but they are dangerous. Their greatest strenght lay in the fact that we have not been able to home in on their main base (or bases) yet.

[SneakyPax]

So let me recapitulate this briefly:

The Dust Brigade can't be the ones responsible for this as it's not their style to shoot down one shuttle in an unspectacular and barren place such as Mort.
Xtraav's idea of Omni Tek shooting down their own shuttles is just plain hilarious and as Naefen perfectly put it, there's no sense nor profit for the corporation doing that.
What I see are Clanners, and I don't give a darn of which organization they are, bragging around how good they interferred and totally obliterated our efforts in resolving the situation.
It's not the troops nor Juggernauts we lost in that "ruckus", that makes me mad as they were on the payroll and therefore expendable, no, it's the wimpy behaviour of the ones responsible for it for not admitting it. If I had any trust in the so called Council of Truth I'd address them to sort their bunch out double quick and hand the criminals over to Omni Pol. But before I see that happen, it's more likely to see a paper dog chasing an asbestos cat through hell..

[Keldros]

Originally posted by PaxCorpus
[B]
Xtraav's idea of Omni Tek shooting down their own shuttles is just plain hilarious and as Naefen perfectly put it, there's no sense nor profit for the corporation doing that.[b]

It makes perfect sense if the shuttle were hijacked with cargo Omni didn't want the clans to get.

What I see are Clanners, and I don't give a darn of which organization they are, bragging around how good they interferred and totally obliterated our efforts in resolving the situation.
It's not the troops nor Juggernauts we lost in that "ruckus", that makes me mad as they were on the payroll and therefore expendable, no, it's the wimpy behaviour of the ones responsible for it for not admitting it.

Again this could easily be OT trying to cover up a hijacking of one of their own ships. Has anyone considered how valuable some of this new technology from the Shadowlands might be offworld?

While no one currently posesses the technology to build new incarnators, the novictuated patterns that can be made in the Shadowlands do suggest the possibility of introducing some form of insurance technology to other planets. If OT were developing technology based on novictum, you can bet other corporations would be interested. We could be looking at a new era of corporate wars without ICC intervention.

[Pysgod1978]

Quite true. I agree with Keldros. Who's to say it wasnt Sol Banking. They could have agents on planet that OT doesnt know about. Whatever OT had onboard that ship musta been valuable.
Anybody coulda shot it down for the cargo. However,need i remind you. The dead bodies had claw marks. And maybe it wasnt shot down. Maybe it just crashed. Whatever you ommers had on board that sucker is probably what caused it to go down. Not the Clans.

[Sallust]

Originally posted by PaxCorpus
Gaia, Pilgrims.. they all look the same to me anyways. Spineless terrorists who ain't got the balls to confess THEY shot down our craft - all hiding in the so called Council of Truth.

Thanks, I'll be sure to remember Clan Gaia and Kreista Tobarl next time they tell me about making a new Tir accord with Omni-tek.

Omni-Tek Command is quick blame everything on us without even a shread of proof. Unsubstantiated and obviously false claims of Council of Truth ties to the Dust Brigade, blaming the shooting down of any random unidentified craft on the Clans... and yet what organization has the most firepower in space above Rubi-Ka?

As shown with the early rebel miners or framed Council of Truth, Omni-Tek does care about the lives of even its own corporate citizens if public relations in the galaxy or profits can be increased. Maybe some of you need just see how friendly the omni guards are in the Omni-Med facility of your longest road mining complex are to omni citizens.

as for the Sentinels I doubt you'll get any response as it is of no benefit to them to do so.

[SneakyPax]

I'm not willing to listen to this drivel any longer.. so keep trying to talk your way outta this, but no way in hell you gonna convince me for I'm sticking to the facts that that craft was not at all unidentified but one of our prototypes therefore property of Omni-Tek.
Unfortunately you lot realized that it must be of value and blasted it out of the skies to pilfer right away like a pack of rats. But that wasn't enough for you it seemed, for you also interfered with our attempt to bring some order into the chaos you caused. Well done.
And, hell yes, I'm confident they're amongst the ranks of the Council of Traitors.. no.. Terrorists.. *coughs* Truth, currently laughing their butts off over their lil' victory.

-Pax

[Naefen]

It does not come to me as a big surprise not even a remotely Sentinel aligned answeres the allegations made against them.

How foolish even to ask...

[joshuacrime]

...and yet the Omni's on board here are STILL lying about how this was an Omni ship, and that the Sentinels are responsible for it's downing and the subsequent prevention of Omni-Pol from retrieving their "craft". We all know it is not true, and any Omni that says so is a provacateur bent on going to war with Clan. It's plainly obvious that all you do is lie, because no one that was at the scene believe it was an Omni craft because of the evidence left on the ground that the first group on the ground (myself included among many neutrals and Omni) witnessed first hand.

Do you work for Omtron or something?

[Naefen]

I did not say it was The Sentinels who downed anything Joshua. I asked for comments from Sentinel alligned people about the allegations against them.
Provocateur, now that is a nice title indeed, but it should not be placed on me.

If perhaps someone actually alligned to the Sentinels would answer then Id perhaps listen to them. But I just doubt it will ever happen.

[subnaut]

I think the strongest argument here is Xhairs's: if the Sentinels shot down the craft they would claim responsibility for it. We are not some louche, shifty, underhanded organization of craven jellyfish who must point fingers every time we do something. The fact of the matter is, when you're doing what is right, you have no reason not to proclaim that fact.

Now, on the otherhand, if the baseness of your perfidous actions is so repulsive that any evidential cognizance of them would cause every morally decent member of the galaxy to rise up in arms against you, then of course you will follow a path of secrecy, cover-ups, and propagandha. Even to the extent that, in time, this pattern can inculcate a twisted perspective in which you blame your own indecency on those you harm by it.

No, I can assure that, right or wrong, we Clan will take responsibility for any action we do. And in my mind, any action which detains your subversive reign of duplicitous connivances should be proclaimed with pride!

[Keldros]

Originally posted by Woolgatherer
I think the strongest argument here is Xhairs's: if the Sentinels shot down the craft they would claim responsibility for it.

This is exactly the reason I suggested Omni-tek shot the ship down. There are even some plausible scenarios why they might shoot down one of their own ships, as I suggested earlier.

For another, High Commander Fisk has publicly stated that he would destroy all neutral cities if he had the means, and Simon Silverstone has said he shares the same sentiment as his men. If he had the means to launch warheads into space and take down a ship, he would very likely be capable of modifying the same system or building a less sophisticated system for ballistic missile attacks on Newland City.

Considering that the Sentinels have said they hate neutrals even more than they hate Omni-tek, I take the continued existence of Newland City as evidence that either the Sentinels were not the ones who attacked the ship, or this was not an Omni ship as claimed.

Edit: I'd also like to point out that the way the wreckage is spread suggests the ship was travelling to or from the Dust Brigade stronghold in the Perpetual Wastes. We know for a fact they have launched missiles at Borealis in the past, so it's entirely possible this was their doing.