My Suggestions for Revising the Bureaucrat Profession

**Cambist** · Jul 8th, 2003, 19:19:18

Yeah, the enforcer fear is pretty insignificantly better, but it is better. They'll generally have worse attack ratings (with their nanos) and get more resists, but it has that dms debuff on it which is a nifty bonus. The area fear MAs have is pretty cool, too. All of them hit that psychic check wall pretty quickly, so... *shrug*

Enforcers also actually have a much easier time casting their nanos despite the color of the skill, because FC scaled nano requirements based on color. They are often casting the highest fear in their 120s, so they do get much more life out of each nano before the Psychic checks end their usefulness altogether.

They gave crowd control to too many professions, imo. Why play the crowd control specialist when you can do amazing damage, tank and still keep adds off of the group?

I think the designers actually didn't expect us to have 3 pets very often (which worked out for the most part). I remember seeing a comment from a designer that said you wouldn't see a crat with 3 pets frequently.

The charm suggestion is a rather clever idea. We used to be able to do this to some degree with charming other professions pets when they LD and run into other zones with them, but it was a bit of a grief tactic when they couldn't summon new ones.

I don't know how that would work out for us. It would probably make it so that any pet profession that had their pet charmed could make a new one afterward... Don't know how significant of a game mechanic change that is.

I'd like them to implement some aspect of it.

[edit: had to clarify that enforcer only have worse attack ratings with fear nanos, obviously not weapons]

**Autocratt** · Jul 8th, 2003, 20:39:56

Hmmm, I guess I never checked to see if the caster could recast their pet if it got charmed. I've charmed a few Slayers in PvP and assumed like mob pet users that they can recast them.

I cannot get online atm, but can someone check what message you get when you try to cast a charm on your own Droid? I am pretty sure if you try and charm someone else's pet in 75%-100% you get a PvP is not allowed message. Maybe something else is blocking us from charming our own pets.

I think the tweak FC needs to do is allow a Crat to be able to charm their own Droid in any gas. Hopefully this is a small tweak. Charming other people's pets should follow PvP rules as usual otherwise we could have some griefing.

**Kithraks** · Jul 8th, 2003, 22:09:10

Good ideas Auto, I've posted it on another forums with better visibility.

**Autocratt** · Jul 8th, 2003, 22:26:34

Thanks Charles, can you post the link to the other forum(s)?

**_______________Hypos** · Jul 8th, 2003, 23:31:35

Nice thinking. Bravo.

**Triskweline** · Jul 9th, 2003, 00:12:01

Originally posted by Autocrat/Seraph
I cannot get online atm, but can someone check what message you get when you try to cast a charm on your own Droid? I am pretty sure if you try and charm someone else's pet in 75%-100% you get a PvP is not allowed message. Maybe something else is blocking us from charming our own pets.

Just tried this, same thing in 75% (Tir County) and 0% (Tir Arena).

It just blackholes.

"Executing Nano Program: Total Mental Domination"

and nothing happens at all. No feedback, no recharge, nothing. Just like it does when you try to charm an NPC in a 100% zone like Borealis or BS.

**Kithraks** · Jul 9th, 2003, 00:43:45

Originally posted by Autocrat/Seraph
Thanks Charles, can you post the link to the other forum(s)?

Not possible, the forum isn't public.

**Autocratt** · Jul 9th, 2003, 02:28:53

Originally posted by Charles

Not possible, the forum isn't public.

Oooooh, secret handshake forums! Cool Charles, keep us updated with feedback on that one

**Qaetus** · Jul 9th, 2003, 03:03:13

Great ideas! Yet, I cannot say I like the name change. I partially choose the prof not because I knew anaything about it in the beginning, but because it sounded cool

I am and will always be a good old 'crat.

**bread** · Jul 9th, 2003, 04:59:05

ok yea dont change the name. the rest needs to change..bad...FC wont listen to anyone and they say they will improve us but dont. crat is an awesome prof exept its getting worse. plz FC listen to us ....my god....nice ideas btw Auto

**MatronVima** · Jul 9th, 2003, 10:46:24

After giving it some thought I have reached the conclusion I'd rather have pets as it is today.

Or do away with pets as a whole. Give us some green weapon
skills instead, and atleast lightblue evades and change nr
to green skill.

**Nova** · Jul 9th, 2003, 11:19:07

Originally posted by Autocrat/Seraph
I am no longer optimistic...

Darm, again one level 200 crat loose the hope....DONT DO THAT!

Soon you will be as negative that I am.

**Thyrra** · Jul 9th, 2003, 17:52:56

Originally posted by Vima
After giving it some thought I have reached the conclusion I'd rather have pets as it is today.

Or do away with pets as a whole. Give us some green weapon
skills instead, and atleast lightblue evades and change nr
to green skill.

in other words let you switch profs?

**Quartzpoet** · Jul 9th, 2003, 17:59:39

It would probably make it so that any pet profession that had their pet charmed could make a new one afterward... Don't know how significant of a game mechanic change that is.

I don't think it would be difficult. MOB pet classes already do this, casting new bots alsmost as fast as I can charm them.

**Acardia** · Jul 10th, 2003, 00:13:14

took me a little bit to think about this. my thoughts

1) the name is good.

2) all of the nano thoughs are good except the pet/ charm ideas.

3) on pet i want one of 3 ideas. in order of preferance.
A) Ranged pet. how cool would a Ninjadroid look with a manex? or some other SMG.
B) Katana- it's a ninja droid.
C) Can you Kick? more basic animations....and of course a little more AR and some more runspeed.

also i think it would be cool to have your pet have the same weapon as you and a extra 100 AR with that weapon before buffs. and they would use specials as quick as they recharge if fully trimmed. now i think this would have harder coding. and potintial nasty effects in arena PVP( Trox crat and pet each with a QB?)

4) Charms. fix psy checks, leave charmable mobs in all areas, have Psy check like this. raise checks up. 1 pt for every 25 pts of psychology you have. and let in the gap between our current psy checks and the psychology boosted checks be the "grey area" where we have a flat 80% chance to charm everything. don;t give us uneffected messages. crank up the mobs psyic to 100k or somthing. so we know weather or not to try again.

5) more uses for psychology. weapon order forms, armour order forms. Hell let us make passes for IS

ok just my few cents and some pocket lint there.

**Cambist** · Jul 10th, 2003, 00:22:45

Originally posted by Quartzpoet

I don't think it would be difficult. MOB pet classes already do this, casting new bots alsmost as fast as I can charm them.

NPC Rules are different obviously. Players don't work like that last I checked.

I liked Auto's suggestion for charms much more than Arcadia's. Expecting them to populate the entire world with "charmable mobs in all areas." How are you going to find an appropriate level pet for pvp, uniques, etc? You know your pet's level every time.

This is a proposal to counter them making entire dungeons and unique spawns having everything entirely immune to our abilities. It's the direction the game design has being going for over a year...

**Autocratt** · Jul 10th, 2003, 03:37:22

Hiya all!

Well, I think a good healthy majority like the ideas. As I stressed many many times we need unity on changes to Funcom. Let's agree that we want the following changes:

1) Charming our own Droids
2) A fear, and area snare as good as the enforcer's and fixer's
3) New super short mez nanos and mez nano init changes for PvP
4) The nuke changes
5) Highly increased range on speech nanos

We seriously need to keep it simple and unified on this one. I think we should stress to Funcom that all 5 changes are clearly within the current game mechanics or are simple tweaks. i.e. Dupe the Enf fear and Fixer snare nano if you want is simple, tweak the database value for speech range, duplicate the Mind Quake nano debuff on our mez nanos, and remove the no pvp tag on charming our own bots. It should take very very little programming to do it.

If Funcom raises balance/testing issues, I think we need to stand firm and say these changes need to be done immediately! Crats are in serious jeopardy here. And balance wise, we are hardly dangerous to anyone.

As Cambist wisely observed, Funcom is not going to stop their trend of making more and more mobs immune to charm, cc, etc. The above suggestions are to adapt to Funcom's changes. Yes, it is a strategic turn away from fighting head-to-head with Funcom, to trying to persuade Funcom to let us adapt to their new thinking.

Now let's move the discussion to how we bring these demands to Funcom in a mature and productive way. I think we let the Professionals take first stab at this.

**Acardia** · Jul 10th, 2003, 05:38:25

yes, Autocratt's idea on charms is not bad but i see 2 problems with i1) the amount of time it will take to buff for a mission. and the big fun loss of trying to find a good weapon while hunting outdoors. i think this part of looking for good weapons is a lot of fun. Granted with Autocratt's suggestiong i Don;t think crats can solo unique mobs as well as they do now. i know there is at least 3 we can solo. but will not name, names on the forums or how too.(FC doesn;t want us too.) e****ally mobs that are 100 levels above the Crat.

**Cambist** · Jul 10th, 2003, 08:03:31

Sorry man, I really could care less about soloing The One and The Pest over and over again.

Having time to hunt down something to help me in pvp when everyone yells, "TOWER DEFENSE GET TO CT NOW!!!" that's the appropriate level doesn't happen often.

And still with his proposal nothing would prevent you from finding better mobs to charm outside still, he's just providing a solution for when you have no ability to find something better.

**Qaetus** · Jul 10th, 2003, 14:37:23

Originally posted by Autocrat/Seraph

1) Charming our own Droids
2) A fear, and area snare as good as the enforcer's and fixer's
3) New super short mez nanos and mez nano init changes for PvP
4) The nuke changes
5) Highly increased range on speech nanos

We seriously need to keep it simple and unified on this one.

I was thinking, what if all the crats put this in their sig? That'd be unified right?

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