The Jynne Guide to Auto-Attack

[_________________Kaa]

Aha. So this means that (for weapon init less than 1200)

Chargeup_time = Weapon_nominal_chargeup - (Weapon_Init / 600) + AggDefSlider_factor

and

Recover_time = Weapon_nominal_recover - (Weapon_Init / 300) + AggDefSlider_factor

where AggDefSlider_factor can range from -0.25 (at full Agg) to 1.75 (at full Def).

The end result is subject to caps (1/1 general and weapons may have their own individual caps).

By the way, is AggDef slider linear? At 50% is the factor 0.75 seconds? Also, was anything clarified with regard to 0% and 100% being magic numbers, noticeably different from 1% and 99% respectively?

[Jynne]

There are contradictory reports about the agg/def slider. I don't have the time to test everything that is missing or unconfirmed myself... or rather, if I took the time to, it would soak up a week or two worth of my ingame time on it, and I have other things to do with that time

[Vitalo]

Thank you ... essential reading.

[Cypher]

Fabulous thread necromancy here But a good thread to bring back

[Zanthyna]

Fabulous thread necromancy here But a good thread to bring back

There is no such thing as thread necromancy when it comes to a Jynne guide (unless, perhaps, it's Jynne's Guide to the AO Beta).

[Bori]

Nice work Jynne

[Moscatinka]

3. Hit or Miss? After the attack time is met, if you are in range, the game calculates if you hit or miss your target.
4. Critical Hit? If you hit, the game rolls your critical hit chance.

Wondering about the order of these two, has this been confirmed some way, by testing or FC? I'm thinking it could also be done in reverse order which would result in a slightly lower crit chance. If it goes in the order you describe your base crit chance as determined by modifiers, attack rating and opponent's defense rating would be the same as your actual crit rate. But if the order is reversed your eventual crit rate would be {Crit Chance} * {Chance to Hit} which especially against a high evade mob like a Jack Legchopper Clone (to name one ) might make quite a difference. It's basically the difference between scoring a number of crits equal to a percentage of your hits, or equal to a percentage of your attacks.

Was thinking up ways to test it but it isn't easy without knowing for sure if AR/{Def Rating} results in a linear scale for crit chance. If it did it could be tested by shooting at the same mob a lot of time with different AR's and looking to see if the crit score on them was linear over different AR's (which would suggest your order) or reversed exponential (indicating reversed order). If AR/{Def Rating} vs. Crit chance is not linear it gets tough though.

It's a bit late, not sure if I did my math correctly.

[Timmon]

perhaps a bit of bumbage is in order (even if it slightly smells of necromancy=)

excellent info still for new comers to ao

[talmi]

Nice post

[Jynne]

Wondering about the order of these two, has this been confirmed some way, by testing or FC? I'm thinking it could also be done in reverse order which would result in a slightly lower crit chance. If it goes in the order you describe your base crit chance as determined by modifiers, attack rating and opponent's defense rating would be the same as your actual crit rate. But if the order is reversed your eventual crit rate would be {Crit Chance} * {Chance to Hit} which especially against a high evade mob like a Jack Legchopper Clone (to name one ) might make quite a difference. It's basically the difference between scoring a number of crits equal to a percentage of your hits, or equal to a percentage of your attacks.

Was thinking up ways to test it but it isn't easy without knowing for sure if AR/{Def Rating} results in a linear scale for crit chance. If it did it could be tested by shooting at the same mob a lot of time with different AR's and looking to see if the crit score on them was linear over different AR's (which would suggest your order) or reversed exponential (indicating reversed order). If AR/{Def Rating} vs. Crit chance is not linear it gets tough though.

It's a bit late, not sure if I did my math correctly.

I'm pretty certain that it does not roll for a crit before deciding if you hit or miss. If it did, MAs would perform substantially better than they do against extreme high-evades targets like the mercs.

[Siorai2]

Well deserved bump, still not stickied 0.o

[Psycratage]

*cough*bump*cough*

[kuznechik]

Just need to add:
1. blockers
2. reflects
3. damage shields
4. absorbs
5. 50% damage reduction for pvp.
6. 40% cap in pvp.
7. Caps on damage

[Gwenneth]

Too bad Jynne IronHand quit the game :>

[babaoroody]

Does any increase to your AR apply to all of your attacks?

Equip an NT with dual pistols, AR goes up.

Cast pistol expertise on NT, AR goes up more.

Will the NT's nukes now do more damage?

The formula shown here seems to imply that any damage buff counts in inreasing AR and any increase to AR will benefit all combat attacks regardless of method, weapon, etc.

[Berinda]

Does any increase to your AR apply to all of your attacks?

All weapon based attacks.

Equip an NT with dual pistols, AR goes up.

Cast pistol expertise on NT, AR goes up more.

Will the NT's nukes now do more damage?

Nano formulae are handled differently. They attack for how much it says in their description, and whether they land or not is based on a defense check against the nano resist stat, typically using the nano skill used to cast to attack.

Having more of the required nano skill won't increase the damage from the nano, but it will increase the likelyhood of the nano landing. For increases in nano damage, there's gear that adds a % modifier to nano damage dealt.

[babaoroody]

Thanks, sometime I will get it through my thick skull that NT nanos are not treated as 'weapons'.

That saves my NT from wasting ncu on pistol buffs.

More NCU for more productive NT bufffs, like runspeed, ect. or the gear...

Thanks, :-)

[Darkenfoshots]

hi i was just wondering, does damage multiplier on AR increase actually depend on Attack Rating or your attack skill?

One time i was in an inferno mission on my enforcer and i was constantly watching my damage. I casted nano Might Challenger to Behemoth, but only noticed a damage add of 80. This nano adds 80 dmg and 252 Attack Rating(said offense modifier as read on auno.org) anyone know of this for sure? id like to know if that 1500 AR from mongo rage is just gonna increase my chance of hitting or actually give me an extra 1k dmg per hit for 10 seconds

[Saetos]

hi i was just wondering, does damage multiplier on AR increase actually depend on Attack Rating or your attack skill?

One time i was in an inferno mission on my enforcer and i was constantly watching my damage. I casted nano Might Challenger to Behemoth, but only noticed a damage add of 80. This nano adds 80 dmg and 252 Attack Rating(said offense modifier as read on auno.org) anyone know of this for sure? id like to know if that 1500 AR from mongo rage is just gonna increase my chance of hitting or actually give me an extra 1k dmg per hit for 10 seconds

The original post mentions the Maximum Beneficial Skill that came out at SL launch: if your attack rating goes past your weapon's MBS then you will gain no damage from extra AR.