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    Cool Autocrat's Ranged Weapon Guide

    The purpose of this guide is to explain some of the weapon mechanics and offer some subjective advice on weapon selection.

    Weapon IP Cost, Caps and Buffs
    Please follow the link. It is one of my best posts and will explain a lot about IP skill costs in general:
    Truth about Skill Color - MUST READ Newbs & Veterans

    As Crats we have a very limited ranged weapon skill set:

    IP- Weapon/Special
    1.6 Pistol
    3.2 Shotgun/SMG/Ranged Initiative
    4.0 All other ranged weapons, all specials, Multi-Ranged

    IP cost is important but more importantly it dictates how high you can raise a skill before hitting a Title Level cap:

    IP Cost Raise TL1 TL2 TL3 TL4 TL5 TL6
    1.0-1.4 --5--- 60 200 360 490 550 600
    1.5-2.4 --4--- 50 180 330 450 500 540
    2.5-3.2 --4--- 40 160 300 410 450 480
    3.3-4.0 --3--- 30 140 270 370 400 420
    4.1-5.0 --3--- 20 120 240 330 350 360

    Thus, for a level 200 Solitus Crat, unbuffed Pistol skill will always be higher than Shotgun/SMG by 60 pts and 120 pts higher than any other weapon skill.

    Buffs
    Always nice to know how high you can go besides the standard Expertise. A wrangle can buff your weapon skill by up to 132 (wrangles do not buff specials.) Universal Advantages, Ransacking Towers and special armors also increase weapon skills.

    Pistol: +120 Extreme Prejudice, +40 Pistol Mastery (overwrites the +20 Gunslinger)
    Rifle: +120 Unexpected Attack (overwrites +50 Sniper’s Bliss/Rifle Mastery), +19 TIM Scope
    Ranged Energy: +70 Ranged Energy Mastery
    Assault Rifle: +60 Assault Rifle Mastery
    SMG: +8 Minor Suppressor (LOL, Fixer Startup Nano)
    Aimed Shot: +130 Take the Shot, +23 TIM Scope or up to +287 Vision Enhancer
    Burst: +110 Riot Control, +7 Minor Suppressor
    Fling Shot: +30 Offensive Steamroller
    Full Auto: +72 from special Sleeves armors

    Implant Conflicts
    Weapon and nanoskill conflicts are always a concern. At the high level game, almost all weapons need to have all 3 weapon clusters to be effective. Rifle is the only skill which does not conflict with a nanoskill but conflicts with Nano Resist which is a concern for PvP. Conflicts:

    Pistol – Bright and Faded MC/TS, Shining Ranged Initiative
    Shotgun – Bright MC/TS and Faded BM
    SMG – Bright MC/TS and Faded SI
    Assault Rifle – Bright and Faded MC/TS
    Fling Shot – Bright MC/TS
    Full Auto – Faded BM

    Rate of Fire
    Total weapon damage is the sum of regular damage plus specials damage. A high ROF is essential to increasing regular damage. ROF can be increased by spending IP on Ranged Initiative skill (3.2 IP/pt 480 IP cap), implants, and armors/HUDs that increase RI.

    Each weapon has an attack time and recharge time that can be reduced or increased based on:
    1) Net RI skill after buffs and debuffs; and
    2) Your Agg/Def setting

    RI skill affects attack and recharge time differently. Every 600 pts of RI reduces attack time by 1s and recharge time by 2s. Negative RI will increase both attack and recharge times per the above formula. The formula is supposed to break down when you get to 1200+ RI per FunCom but Crats don’t have to worry about this.

    Because it takes a lot of RI to reduce a small amount of attack/recharge time and the skill is rather IP expensive I recommend raising RI skill only when you have spare IP. I probably would not raise RI until I reached the Title 3 caps (level 87). Choosing a fast weapon, obtaining a TIM Scope and using implants is a preferred course of action early on.

    Agg/Def setting affects attack and recharge time equally. There is some debate as to where on the Agg/Def bar the default database settings are. Most believe that at 75%-87.5% Agg/Def is where the database numbers default to. At 100% Agg/Def the times decrease by 0.25s and at 0% the times increase by 1.75s (some believe the numbers are 0.5s and 1.5s but it is generally agreed the difference between 0% and 100% is 2s.) You need to keep in mind that Agg/Def setting also affects your nano casting times and the effectiveness of your evade and nano resist skills. In PvM, you would generally set it to 100% Agg/Def.

    There is a cap of 1s/1s on attack/recharge times. Note: this is significantly different from casting nanos where there is no cap on attack time (hence the term instacast) and recharge time never changes.

    Weapon Damage Calculation
    How does weapon damage work? Take for example the Assassin FDA Caterwaul 913:

    10-410 (280) - energy ac

    The above numbers list the weapon’s base damage. The lower number is the minimum damage, the middle number the maximum damage and the number in parentheses is the crit bonus damage. These numbers assume your AMS (Attack Modified Stat) is zero. (AMS is the number listed to the right of ATTACK in your stat window)

    The higher your AMS the higher your chance to hit, to crit and modifies the weapon’s base damage. The formula is:

    (AMS/400 + 1) x weapon base damage

    So if your AMS is 800 then Caterwaul will be calculated using this formula:

    30-1230 (840) - energy ac

    Normal Damage
    Using the Caterwaul and 800 AMS as an example, when you score a non-critical hit, the damage is a random number from 30-1230 (halved if it is PvP.) Any reflect damage is factored in, every 10 pts of Energy AC reduces damage by 1 pt, and Layers absorb damage also. (I am not sure of the order in which these take place.)

    Critical Damage
    Well if you manage to randomly score a critical hit the damage is easy to calculate. It is simply maximum damage plus the critical damage bonus so 1230 + 840 = 2110 and then reflect, AC, etc. are deducted. Base critical chance is 3%. Many things affect critical chance. A higher AMS vs. the defender’s DMS will increase it and vice versa. Certain buffs/debuffs and equipment will also affect the probability of landing a critical hit. In PvP, critical chance is halved.

    Specials Damage
    Specials always hit. There is also a maximum damage cap of 10000. Specials damage are as follows:

    Aimed Shot damage can be normal or critical, subject to bonus multiples based on Aimed Shot skill, and is always armor piercing (i.e. it ignores the defenders AC for damage purposes). The minimum Aimed Shot damage is a maximum normal damage. A bonus multiple will be applied of 1-5x the damage, the higher the Aimed Shot skill the greater the chance of scoring a higher multiple. Reflects and Layers can still reduce Aimed Shot damage.

    Burst is simply the sum of three normal non critical shots.

    Fling Shot is simply one extra shot but it can be a crit.

    Full Auto empties the weapon’s ammo clip and each shot can score a crit but can also be evaded. There is a cap on maximum number of hits (11 is the most I have seen.)

    In PvP, Aimed Shot does not require a concealment check and is currently the best special all around followed by Burst. Full Auto is horribly ineffective vs. players and mobs with high evades.

    Specials Recycle Rates
    In general, the weapon and the specials skill determine how fast a special recycles:

    Aimed Shot
    Recharge x 40s – (Aimed Shot Skill x 3 / 100s)
    Burst
    Recharge x 20s + Burst Cycle – (Burst Skill / 25s)
    (Burst Cycle is listed with the weapon stats in databases)
    Fling Shot
    Attack x 15 – (Fling Shot Skill / 100s)
    Full Auto
    Recharge x 40s + Full Auto Cycle – (Full Auto Skill / 25s)
    (Full Auto Cycle is listed with the weapon stats in databases)

    Note: There appear to be caps to minimum recycle times.

    Recycle is very important because on some weapons you can achieve very rapid recycle times especially since specials always hit.

    Multi-wielding to Increase Damage Output
    Multi-wielding 2 pistols for buffs is perfectly acceptable. Multi-wielding 2 weapons to increase your damage output is dubious. The FunCom mechanic of multi-wielding in a nutshell is Fire Gun1, Fire Gun2 and recharge both (you would think Fire Gun1&2 together, recharge both or Fire Gun1, Fire Gun2 while recharge Gun1 would make more logical sense.) Also, if both guns have the same special then only one will fire the special, the other is wasted. So at best, your ROF would increase by 50% and total damage output increase is <50% if you lose specials on the off-hand weapon.

    The above assumes you can wield 2 guns of the same QL which is nearly impossible on nearly all the good weapons because the MR requirement is enormous or even unachievable. If you wield in your off-hand a significantly lower QL gun you might actually lose damage output because the higher QL gun fires less often. The only decent combinations I think are 2 Customized IMI Desert Reet 1000 or 1 with a Original Electronicum. My suggestion is to stay away from multi-wielding except to obtain buffs.

    Dual Skill Weapons
    Some weapons require 2 weapon skills which is unfavorable because of the increased IP costs and is likely to lower your AMS significantly because one skill makes up 67% of AMS and the other 33%. Yet you still need to maximize/buff both skills to maintain a high AMS.
    Autocratt Atrox Bureaucrat 200
    Current PvP Armor Setup
    Seraphfirst Nanomage MP 175 Current Fire Reflect Armor Setup (67%)

    Suggestions for Revising the Bureaucrat Profession
    1) Charming our own Droids
    2) A fear, and area snare as good as the enforcer's and fixer's
    3) New super short mez nanos and mez nano init changes for PvP
    4) The nuke changes
    5) Highly increased range on speech nanos

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    Wink Auto's Current Weapon Picks

    Best of the best as of 14.8

    PvM

    Pistol
    Customized IMI Desert Reet 1000
    http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=156771&t=ag
    The Original Electronicum v3
    http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=160292&t=ag
    Pain of Patricia
    http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=168675&t=ag

    Shotgun
    Vektor ND DRAGON Shotgun
    http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=124262&t=ag
    S.A. Tranquil Home Defender
    http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=124240&t=ag
    Premium Medium Shotgun
    http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=123056&t=ag
    Krutt Assault 219 Waltzing Queen Special
    http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=124284&t=ag
    Ithaca Ki-8 Snakemaster
    http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=124327&t=ag

    SMG
    Quality OT Kerans Automatic Grinner
    http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=160480&t=ag
    (Note: IMHO the ultimate lowbie weapon!)
    Exquisite Mausser Chemical Streamer
    http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=157716&t=ag
    Manex Catastrophe December
    http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=159034&t=ag

    Rifle
    Advanced Alsaqri Chemical Rifle
    http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=157661&t=ag
    Zastaba Velocity SX - Special Forces
    http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=160111&t=ag
    Assassins FDA Caterwaul 913
    http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=160192&t=ag
    Superior Yatamutchy X-3 Counter-Sniper Rifle
    http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=161130&t=ag

    Tower PvP
    Just not many choices when you must have 40m range.

    Shotgun
    Ithaca Ki-8 Snakemaster
    http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=124327&t=ag

    SMG
    Quality OT Kerans Automatic Grinner
    http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=160480&t=ag

    Rifle
    Assassins FDA Caterwaul 913
    http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=160192&t=ag
    Autocratt Atrox Bureaucrat 200
    Current PvP Armor Setup
    Seraphfirst Nanomage MP 175 Current Fire Reflect Armor Setup (67%)

    Suggestions for Revising the Bureaucrat Profession
    1) Charming our own Droids
    2) A fear, and area snare as good as the enforcer's and fixer's
    3) New super short mez nanos and mez nano init changes for PvP
    4) The nuke changes
    5) Highly increased range on speech nanos

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    Saving this stuff for posterity along with some pvp advice, just so you know.

    http://www.nanoclan.com/crat/guide.html
    The Cubicle - All the Bureaucrat news you can bear to hear

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    Cambist Crat
    Undoing Doctor

    SHADOWQUEST-

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    And why shouldn't you be our Professional? Kidding. Nice analysis but where the Briefcase

    Unin

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    Originally posted by Auto
    And why shouldn't you be our Professional? Kidding. Nice analysis but where the Briefcase

    Unin
    I was about to say the same thing... bump to Autocrat on a job well done..

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    Wow, thanks. Been looking for our caps for a long time. The Skill Emulator's site won't let me download it. This is cool stuff!
    So, I showed her my dictionary to show her
    the words that I know, not quite desiring to,
    and how loquacious I can be when I set my
    mind down to it. But she wasn't impressed.
    Oh no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no!
    She wasn't impressed at all.


    caduceus

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    Not exactly on topic, but I fogot - what is the minimum damage MOB doing to you, depending on level (AC notwithstanding) ?
    Hypocrit
    "That we occasionally violate our own stated moral code does not imply that we are insincere in espousing that code"

    Finkle -McGraw on Hypocrisy

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    Thanks everyone. I hope people find this a useful reference.

    Charles, I forgot to ask. Would you sticky this? Thanks.
    Autocratt Atrox Bureaucrat 200
    Current PvP Armor Setup
    Seraphfirst Nanomage MP 175 Current Fire Reflect Armor Setup (67%)

    Suggestions for Revising the Bureaucrat Profession
    1) Charming our own Droids
    2) A fear, and area snare as good as the enforcer's and fixer's
    3) New super short mez nanos and mez nano init changes for PvP
    4) The nuke changes
    5) Highly increased range on speech nanos

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    *Cosmik*
    Guest
    Great write-up.

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    Excellent work

    Bump for tasty goodness and for sticky

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    This is a great post. I keep coming back here for reference. Root it plz.
    Iriee

    Bring Back Lankybill!!!

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    Just put a link to it in the sticky... Hate having 8 billion sticky threads at the top pushing everything down.

    Also posted on here a while back http://www.nanoclan.com/crat/news-archive/000048.php
    The Cubicle - All the Bureaucrat news you can bear to hear

    Isrady Enforcer
    Cambist Crat
    Undoing Doctor

    SHADOWQUEST-

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    While knowing what weapons to use at lvl 100+ is great and all, any suggestions on weapon types below that?


    Or is it: Original electronicum until you can get a unique?
    Just because I have a metalic jaw, doesn't mean I've ever been in a 007 movie.

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    Some good beginner weapons:
    http://www.nanoclan.com/crat/news-archive/000033.php

    SMG
    -----------------
    Kerans OT Automatic Grinner
    Gamma Ejector (NODROP)

    Pistol
    ------------------
    Customized Desert IMI Reet x2 (NODROP)
    MTI B-94 x2 (for XP bonus only)
    The Original Electronicum v3

    Shotgun
    -------------------
    S.A. Tranquil Home Defender
    Vektor ND Shotgun
    OT-Windchaser SM37 PSB Pholler

    Buffing/Bonus Pistols
    ------------------
    MTI B-94 x2 (for XP bonus only)
    OET Jess Pistols QL 100 +20 Int & Psy
    Pepper Pistol QL 51, 101, 151 & 194 adds MM/BM/MC
    Galahad Beyer x2 +20 Comp Lit each
    Poliziotto M203 Druid QL 121 +20 SI
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    Isrady Enforcer
    Cambist Crat
    Undoing Doctor

    SHADOWQUEST-

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    heh, other than the kerans, it looks like most of the things on that list are either extremely expensive, or lvl 100+ still.


    Guess there just aren't any good non-boss only pistols. The buffing pistol I'll look for, but its probably freaking boss only too.



    Is it too much to want mediocre pistol damage at lvl 50 on a gimped newb char?



    Was hoping for a pistol that I could clicksaver for at lvl 50, that is better than my ql 32 Original Electronicum.
    Just because I have a metalic jaw, doesn't mean I've ever been in a 007 movie.

  16. #16
    AFAIK the only boss-dropping buffing pistol is pepper. The rest is normal mission loot/reward. But the pepper is best. Though if you are go rifle for mid-level Ginger Scout is not worse then pepper (ql145 +20 BM/MC), but it's not scaling like Pepper.
    Hypocrit
    "That we occasionally violate our own stated moral code does not imply that we are insincere in espousing that code"

    Finkle -McGraw on Hypocrisy

  17. #17
    Pepper Pistol is not boss loot, it's a tradeskill-made pistol. However, the Sealed Receptacle that you find the unfinished pistol inside of is found only in chests you encounter in team missions.

    You need a Nano Pylon to complete the Pepper Pistol once you hack open the sealed receptacle. The quality level of the finished pistol is determined by the quality level of the Nano Pylon you use. Most people, even if they find a qlvl 200 receptacle with an unfinished Pepper Pistol inside will still use a qlvl 51 Nano Pylon on it. The requirements to wield the pistol go up dramatically for less and less of a gain.

    Unless you're going for Pistols as your full-game weapon (that is, using Original Electronicum V-3/Customized Desert Reet combo at high levels) the 51 is the best trade-off for IP spent vs. buffs gained.

    .... IMHO.

  18. #18
    peppers have been team mission chest drops for a long time. they come in sealed weapon receptacles and take a modicum of trade skills to assemble. you want to make one as close to the QLs listed above without going below them; e.g. q50 pepper pistol is useless.

    ---

    at lower levels you don't need a gun for damage especially if you team with an MP or just get MP buffs. even without MP help, your pets and nukes will do enough damage to solo at a decent rate.

    an advantage of doing this is that you have a lot of IP to spend on useful things that you'd otherwise not have if they'd been spent on weapon skills. as i was nearing the lvl 82 title cap i was strapped for IP and i only spent enough IP in weapon skills to put on a pair of q22 B94s.

  19. #19
    I should make it clear that 100% of the missions I do are not team missions. =)


    Though I do have a stockpile of cash, I might just buy a mediocre team loot only pistol for my crat.



    (stockpile of cash = 1mil creds O.O )
    Just because I have a metalic jaw, doesn't mean I've ever been in a 007 movie.

  20. #20
    Electronicum is the best bang for your buck and you won't be unhappy with it until lvl 100+ for sure... I would've probably gone SMG or Rifle if I was starting a crat nowadays, though. It's a long haul to the Pain of Patricia.
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