Someone said this allready and its a real good idea
I really liked the idea to change the game on only one of the 2 demensions (rk-1 and rk-2) Let the people who want to change to the new patch or move to the old preserve their characters by doing a ONE-TIME switch (only for characters created before the patch, this will prevent them from powerlvling and then moving to the OE dimension) then we'll have an uber, hardcore dimension and a new anti-OE-cause-I-can't-keep-up dimension. Each would have different strategies. No one gets pist off and leaves the game. It also would let people try something else when they got bored of a particular dimension which means longer subscription which means more money. Someone said thats what FC really wants anyways.
I think that would solve everyone's issue but I dont think that FC would care to do it. They would have to develope patches for each dimension which means they would be less rich.
CZ, what would anyone important think of that Idea?
Vash
I hope someone hears me through the noise
I can appreciate the fact that Sumbug is at least trying for a less severe system. But just "keeping the numbercruchers happy" isn't gonna cut it. They crunch numbers for a reason. They over equip for a reason. Putting all that work in for such a meager increase is so counterproductive, so no one would waste the time.
I like to OE my alts to a certain extent. My main (MA btw)is only in the 50s, so my resources are not all that great. Therefore I can't afford to pay 100ks of creds for wrangles to equip my little brothers and sisters. But I do what I can. Use an alt to mission for a particular weapon of implants, get a buff from a friend, etc. Take my Fixer for instance. She is level 10 now. She has a set of lowbie implants (20s I think) for boosting up SMG. She has a 30 Mausser. She does *decent* damage, as in barely enough to feel above average. With a QL 10 she was having serious trouble doing even missions. Now a 10 wearing a QL 30 weapon is nothing compared to most twinkies. But even under Scumbug's reduced penalty guidelines, her damage will suffer tremendously. My guesstimate (late... too late for heavy math) is that she would be knocked down to ql 15 or so in comparative weapon strength, maybe less. The difference between a ql 10 and 15 weapon is virtually nil and not even worth the time spent on equipping it. If anyone thinks to try to pick apart my math and tell me I am an idiot or whatnot, don't bother as you are missing the main point anyway.
The reasons folks OE is varied. Some do it to show off, some for PvP, others just to amaze themselves. But they all expect some kind of tangible benefit from it. Both your rules and the FC rules but a limit on what is incredibly fun for most players that have been around for awhile. Everyone is a true newbie ONCE. We all had our first character. We all walked in to the shop and wondered how the hell we were gonna afford ammo, much less something to shoot it with. But with time comes experience and money. Everyone has the opportunity, given a bit of time to do everything in their power to make a better character, even MAs and NTs. The only ones who don't are the true newbies, which all of us used to be too. The folks that have the means DON'T OE are just artificially limiting themselves. Why ruin my fun? I paid my dues...I'm not a newbie anymore. Just because you don't want to OE, does that mean that I shouldn't? Does that mean that I shouldn't reap the rewards of my time and effort into my characters?
Now someone will step in and tell me that you can still OE. BS, this is strident anti-twinking in full effect. The end effect is cookie cutter syndrome DAoC style. Contrary to popular belief you CAN twink and OE in DAoC. But the weapon maxes out at oh, let's see...about 20% more effective than a level appropriate weapon. And I will tell you from my own experience as a high level Hibernian Elf...It is *ungodly* boring. Take not of the fact that I so not play DAoC anymore. Not being able to use the resources you have aquired ingame to the NOTICEABLE advantage of your other characters is a travesty.
Everyone twinks. It makes new charcters interesting. Newbie levels suck as a rule, this helps it be a bit less tedious. EVERYONE with the resources or inclination twinks. It's human nature. To take that away is unjust in my opinion. Cookie Cutter Syndrome absolutely kills any game that is based upon character development such as AO. What will it matter how I spend my ip if I will end up not being noticeably different from Joe "Noober" Blow? This has been brought on by the havenots who's petty jealousy has run out of control. The whole thing really makes me sick. I can't even really overequip my MA to a large degree and I am still dead against all of this. This is all just my opinion and experience, but I pay monthly for this game too, so my opinion is just as valid as anyone else's. I am not the only one that feels this way.
My final point is regarding PVP balance. If you are either a newbie or a person who doesn't OE for whatever personal conviction, PvP is probably not the place for you anyway. PvP is full of people who do nothing but sit and daydream about the best most efficient ways to gank you. If you are getting killed fast now, even if these changes go through, you can bet that they will all be tweaked to the maximum of the new rules. Then, even if you are too, they will probably still gank you. PvP is not for the squeamish or the jealous. Just wanted to clarify that.
Edit: Just a couple minor edits for clarifications, so as to avoid nitpickers and trolls.
Re: Re: Re: Re: YOU LL MAKE A MISTAKE - after engie will be the weakest profession
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Originally posted by Intra
you are saying it is possible for you, at level 90, to solo lvl 200 mobs with your bot?
yes with OE i use wrangle and mochams and expertise buff. i reach 290 in mc ts so at my lvl 86 i reach 808 in mc ts, i can cast the best warmachine (almost). when i ll put my implants ql 140 i will reach the slayer :)
i use a lvl 175 bot that i heal when i solo ql 200 mob, it s hard but it works. and dont forget that i cast AC buff and reflect buff on my bot !
FC just want to do more money and so slow the levelling to kepp player more month in the game.
Re: I am tired and sick of it
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Originally posted by Master Wong
I am tired and sick of the old time players crying ok.All they do is giving credits and good things to their new character.Then when i want to group they call me gimp and they only taking twink pepols.I am level 12 but they take a level 10 and not me because he hasing a high level gun ok, so stop crying high levels.
I want the game to be more fair and even ok,not about just making twinks
Wong bows to u
if u play with ppl that have a better weapon the team will kill harder mob so the team will have better xp and lvl faster !
just create a team and be a leader so u will choice player !!
FC just want to do more money and so slow the levelling to kepp player more month in the game.
Re: Re: Re: Re: YOU LL MAKE A MISTAKE - after engie will be the weakest profession
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Originally posted by Lilith
OMG...
So missions are boring?
You can't control the pet in missions?
You don't know where to hunt so you hunt red things?
After that I sure hope you will not dare call anyone a newbie.
missions are boring : yes : room kill, room kill, room kill.......
U dont understand what u read . BOT stay stuck in some room sometimes. Bot dont follow u correctly in all room ! even a table is difficult to avoid for a bot ! if u have a good run the bot try to go straight away and have difficulties to follow the caster !
yes i dont know where are ALL spots for every lvl. I know high lvl spot en efp and mort. under this lvl i dont know.
When i asked ppl at lvl 90-120 they just reply they did missions at BS to lvl. They dont hunt !!
i tell newbie to someone when a full team come to leech my mob only when i solo ! :)
FC just want to do more money and so slow the levelling to kepp player more month in the game.
Re: Before you nerf Enginers..!! Here we go...
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Originally posted by Bluetec
I am totaly agree about the OE at the "high scale" need to be fixed. A 90 LvL Enginer shud not make a slayer.. i am 105 lvl
Enginer and still cant make a Slayer even with 100% EO
(i have 130QL good implants)
FC please listen to this. Enginers..have no Self buffing
more than 22 skil.. MP have 50-140..Nerfing traders
and MP to give only 20% of the main skill..will totaly ruin
the Enginer class, and trust me people playing this class
will leave for sure....
Yes. Enginer pet have huge HP..and yes we can heal some..but
even a 175 QL warmacine..dont hit as much as a 100 lvl NT..
mission is hard..even if lowering HP and AC..we get aggros..
..i hope you guys know how much XP a 100 lvl player need
for lvl..killing green mobs..is not the way to lvl.. i like the ide
for the 14.2 patch..just dont make it 20%!!!!!
Let people play and live in Rubi Ka, and have fun..
Dont nurf them (thay are paying your bill) and send them all to Reclaim terminals in Rubi Ka..there is so much better placses to be explore in this grate game.. i beg you... Give use + not a -
Yes if the 20% Enginer nurf patch comes on live server..i will leave AO forever.. ( i dont need a Kamizase bot )
AO Account since : 2001-06-29 17:10:13 UTC
i am with u bro
FC just want to do more money and so slow the levelling to kepp player more month in the game.
i will leave as well : all ppl that want leave continue this message : quote it plz
Re: Re: Did Funcom forget they made this program...
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Originally posted by Dr. Sent
I suppose those that want this aren't customers and our opinions don't matter?
Some of us, like me, wanted a 0% overequip rule. 20% in a nice compromise although it's still high, favoring the OEer. Either way, I'm willing to give it a shot, how come you're jumping up and screaming? Because I don't matter?
the big difference is : you play everyday and u wil not leave the game cos OE
BUT if OE is removed FC will lose customers !!
FC lies cos they talk about OE and dont want to touch the implants and ncu . Everybody know that exploits did exist to put belt 6x on a lvl 1 and treament stack allowed to put QL 200 implants on players !!
AND THAT IS OE !! SO PLZ dont speak about OE ---> FC just want to do more money and so slow the levelling to keep player more month in the game.
Re: I am feeling great anga
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Originally posted by Master Wong
because when i posting u calling me stuipd and tell me to play music and in the game u steal my group they dont wanting me they wanting u and u big gun maybe i could making new friends but no, they think i am too new and dont learnt he game yet
this is me a real new player
I goto arena
and they say " Wong Duel" thats it thats all thay saying and i say ok
and die everytime i try my bes but i cannot win ever 12 times i lose , ii died so fast
groups taking much lower level players instead of me because i have a gun
it is the quality of my level
i cant afford to buying nice things from players because a high level is optimizing his alt and he can pay much more
i call myself a gimp, because now i facing the reality i am a gimp ok
this u
u can equip your high level belts and pay millions for snippers cyclops or essence of bliss i dont care not me a level 1 should not start with 20 millions or even 5 i am sorry ok, but its true its just not how the game was to being played with so much to starting with
maybe if 14.2 jus affecting level characters 50 or less
maybe when u make 50 it stays the same like now ok
because as u leveling overequipping becomes less and less a factorok because of max 200 levels
wong bows to u
Ok wong... first off, sorry for calling you a loonie, stupid or whatever I did. But you see...
When I started this game (with a MA just to top it) I hated Over Equiping. Why? Cause I felt useless in a group with twinks from highlvl players. Cause I got my ass kicked once I stepped into a 25% or 0% zone. I hated OE so much I was about to shed my anger on the forum. But I didn't. Instead I decided to learn the rules of OE. Get to know the game mechanics for character optimization. And guess what... Instead of using my time beeing pissed at OE, I got to learn it.
Then all of a sudden, I was the one kicking peoples ass in pvp. I was the one dealing the most damage in my group etc, and I loved it. Now with some pretty highlvl chars, I've found that it's only two things that keep my interest in this game.
Overequiping and twinking alt-characters, and most important -the INGAME FRIENDS. The game suxx, the people make it great.
So what's this to you? That I know how you're feeling, and I'm sorry for whatever trashing you get on this board. But I do belive, without a doubt in my mind that if you had started this game before you did, you would come to love OE just as much as the other veteran players.
Now on a sidenote to that, I'm realizing that this OE patch will come WHATEVER the community do to stop it. I've learned to accept that fact, and I've decided to give it a chance. If it suxx, well.. nothing much I can do about it. If it's decent, well .. I'll learn to live with it.
ENGIES will leave game unless better buff are given!
if FC want to put the patch 14.2 so i asked to FC to gives to ENGIES :
nulltity sphere 2 better than the NT one to do PVP
mocham's gifts to use a decent bot
speed buffs to run if aggro when healing the bot !
Just one thing about bots : i can cast a 175 bot and it just do 500-600 dmg x2 so it s not a good attack rate if u compare with enforcer or MA or NT !!
but bot have a good HP you ll tell me !
yes but MA and enf have heal buff to stay alive all time .
patch will not balanced the game it s evident, nobody can say contrary. if u can see a difference it s mean non balanced !
FC lies cos they talk about OE and dont want to touch the implants and ncu . Everybody knows that exploits did exist to put belt 6x on a lvl 1 and treatment stacks allowed to put QL 200 implants on players !! Fc will do nothing for that.
AND THAT IS OE !! SO PLZ dont speak about OE ---> FC just want to do more money and so slow the levelling to keep player more month in the game. They are bussiness men not players!
Re: ENGIES will leave game unless better buff are given!
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Originally posted by jodocast
if FC want to put the patch 14.2 so i asked to FC to gives to ENGIES :
nulltity sphere 2 better than the NT one to do PVP
mocham's gifts to use a decent bot
speed buffs to run if aggro when healing the bot !
Just one thing about bots : i can cast a 175 bot and it just do 500-600 dmg x2 so it s not a good attack rate if u compare with enforcer or MA or NT !!
but bot have a good HP you ll tell me !
yes but MA and enf have heal buff to stay alive all time .
patch will not balanced the game it s evident, nobody can say contrary. if u can see a difference it s mean non balanced !
FC lies cos they talk about OE and dont want to touch the implants and ncu . Everybody knows that exploits did exist to put belt 6x on a lvl 1 and treatment stacks allowed to put QL 200 implants on players !! Fc will do nothing for that.
AND THAT IS OE !! SO PLZ dont speak about OE ---> FC just want to do more money and so slow the levelling to keep player more month in the game. They are bussiness men not players!
If you cant play the game without being over powerd DONT!!!