Will bureaucrats ever get a pistol pvp weapon?

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Originally Posted by pppsssooo

Hi that would be me. unles your not on rk1

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Heya :) Yeah I'm ok RK1, so it must be you.

*Jots down Puzzytehcrat's name as the Remod Crat*

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Originally Posted by Rktim

theres professions thats WAY worse off then crats, like engis

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I lol'ed ;)

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Originally Posted by Koizumi

I lol'ed ;)

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Yeah, I LOL'd too. We all know that would actualy be shadez.

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Originally Posted by Koizumi

I lol'ed ;)

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Its cuz RKtim alphaes those engie mobs in RK mish before they can spawn a pet.

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Originally Posted by Rktim

Ok look, ima be as nice and understanding as i can when i say the following:

Crats (and all other support proofs) should just stfu and go sit in a corner ok?
Why?
Theres so many debuffs, snares, roots and stuns flying around in PvP that the non support profs are next to useless today because its kinda hard to actually be a fighting class when your so debuffed after 5 sec of mass PvP that not even a whole raid force of docs can keep you alive....

No really its just plain stupid now... I would be the first to agree to double my subscription fee if they moved all support profs to Rk2 and all fighting proffs to Rk1 mkay? (That would be.... MPs, Crats, Docs, Agents, NTs, traders and engineers over to Rk2, the rest to Rk1)

And you could all run around and heal and debuff and stun eachuter all you want and fulfill your sick desires and the fighting profs could actually fight for once...

Jesus Christ... Even if i by some miracle don't have ether UBT or NSD or Stuns on me so i actually mange to get AMS up then some 7 year old with one button on his hotbar will come running by and rip/steal/pirce it within seconds...

So stop bitching about your dmg output, your already making the game next to unplayable for the rest of us! Even if i maxed out on NR, Blind resist and god knows what else i would still be out of the game for 60% of the time...

If you really want a AS pistol because you dont want to use a old pre SL weapon then fine, guess what, using old out dates weapons is the price you pay for all your retarded debuffs ok?

And... wtf... With 3.25k AR i think i should atleast be able to hit some random FA on a crat atleast SOMETIMES but nooooooo...

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Usually, I try to read to the end of a thread before posting, but this one was hillarious. With the speed with which people can level these days, it is easy to see that the professions that are most rolled, and most played, are the best, either at PvP or PvM. Why do we see so many Soldiers running around? Because they are in the top 3 damage dealing professions (shade/ma/soldier) and easily one of the top PvP professions. What Sterva is asking for is to not have to make a TOTAL choice between PvP/PvM.

Lets compare a Soldier to a Crat. In PvM you have two good choices - Pistol+RE or Assault Rifle. Now, do either of those lines have viable PvP weapons in them, easily obtainable and useable? EC3 and DShark, giving you access to the two best PvP special attacks in the game, at the capped rate. Now, in PvM as a crat you have access to good Pistols, but PvP you are using a weapon with 1 (yes, one) minimum damage. Crats don't have the IP to raise Pistol/Burst/Fling/MR/Bow/AS and still raise their important prof-specific skills. Even if they did, since crats need to use custom imps instead of symbs (since we don't have access to symbs that give huge amounts of weapon-skills and AR, along with all relevant nanoskills - like you do), we cannot swap between weapon options like you can.

Now, about how support profs make the game unplayable. You're retarded. You play by far the most overplayed profession in the game, and a profession that does well in full ofab and a easily obtained weapon. The number of soldiers swarming around the BS flinging off FAs 5 times per minute is rediculous, compared to the NT/Crat I see once in a blue moon, or the doc just running around hoping to get his VP to go raid PvM content. Sure, there's Avari or Rolfor there every once in a while, and you get UBT'd but does that stop your specials or perks? Nope! You're actually WAY less affected by init debuffs than almost any other profession (not counting keepers, who are a totally different story) because your offense doesn't really rely on Inits in PvP. Surrrrrrpppprriiissee! You're a tool. You have HUGE damage in PvP and PvM, and the fact that you can still whine and moan about the 3 professions that can get through AMS (which are, by far, 3 of the least commonly played professions in the game - NT/Trader/Engi. And guess why they're uncommon...)

And even the noobiest soldiers can cap FA on me, as long as dodge the blame isn't up, and that lasts all of what, 18 seconds? So my only defense, which is easily defeatable by anybody with AS/Sneak+Dimach/Nanodamage/MR (way more than three profs), lasts what, 10% of yours. Soldiers need to go back into the corner and STFU. Oh wait, there's so many of them, because they're so wildly easy to play, with similar setups in pvm and pvp, that they don't fit into the corner anymore.

I'm like fly paper. Except exchange flies for the dumbest trolls in AO. lol.

Anyways, all of you arguing about whether or not an AS pistol is OP or not, you are all effing retarded. In my OP I clearly said:

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Originally Posted by Sterva

What I mean by a pistol pvp weapon: I mean something that makes it worthwhile for the top pvp crats to switch to pistols over using Bows/Rifles/Whatever currently has the best Aimed Shot. Basically, that means the pistol needs to either have a good Aimed Shot, or that it needs to have a secondary effect that's uber enough that it's better to gain that effect and lose Aimed Shot than to keep Aimed Shot and not have that effect.

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If you think an AS pistol is OP, good for you, I don't give a flying **** really, but I've left another option open, which apparently none of you actually read or comprehended. If FC devs agree that an AS pistol is OP, then there's always some alternative that doesn't involve AS.

And honestly, I think most crats would rather be able to untrain aimed shot in exchange for a 100% pvp proc like remod, or special access to a good nuke, like doctors get with dots and pistols.

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Originally Posted by Sterva

I'm like fly paper. Except exchange flies for the dumbest trolls in AO. lol.

Anyways, all of you arguing about whether or not an AS pistol is OP or not, you are all effing retarded. In my OP I clearly said:


If you think an AS pistol is OP, good for you, I don't give a flying **** really, but I've left another option open, which apparently none of you actually read or comprehended. If FC devs agree that an AS pistol is OP, then there's always some alternative that doesn't involve AS.

And honestly, I think most crats would rather be able to untrain aimed shot in exchange for a 100% pvp proc like remod, or special access to a good nuke, like doctors get with dots and pistols.

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I did read and comprehand it and i concluded that it has to be WAY better then AS or you wont use it and discard it as "worse" because you worship the AS god and it takes a HUGE boost for that to change...

Actualy, I agree with Sterva on this one.

P.S.
Whatever comes out of it, it has to be 200% more effective if used against NTs.

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Originally Posted by Rktim

I did read and comprehand it and i concluded that it has to be WAY better then AS or you wont use it and discard it as "worse" because you worship the AS god and it takes a HUGE boost for that to change...

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You definetly know what we're worshiping. I have AS poster, AS statue, AS pillows and I always take with me AS amulet.
I'd give away my current AS weapon for supported option, which works ~80% current effectivenes.

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Originally Posted by Klod

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Whatever comes out of it, it has to be 200% more effective if used against NTs.

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QFT!
Sometimes even Klod comes with good ideas

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Originally Posted by SSK

Sometimes even Klod comes with good ideas

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Now you are just being silly.

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Originally Posted by Uaintseenme

Now you are just being silly.

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Are you that guy who still can't PvP with eng?

Are you the guys who still can't pvp with 15+ second unremovable stuns ?

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Originally Posted by Pafpuf

Are you the guys who still can't pvp with 15+ second unremovable stuns ?

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Are you tool who just trolls forums and doesn't play like Masta?

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Originally Posted by Sterva

And honestly, I think most crats would rather be able to untrain aimed shot in exchange for a 100% pvp proc like remod, or special access to a good nuke, like doctors get with dots and pistols.

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Now that s a friggin damn good idea!
Add the 100% remod proc to crat dread gun!
Not only pvm would be a bit better, which would help after the stun proc nerf, but it'd also help us in pvp to upp our ar a bit and pets ar too(which constantly is getting lower with all the def stuff getting added and no pets ar getting changed).

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Originally Posted by SSK

Are you tool who just trolls forums and doesn't play like Masta?

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Nope, you confused me with someone, I do play. Nice reply attempt though, it means my post was right ^^

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Originally Posted by Rktim

I did read and comprehand it and i concluded that it has to be WAY better then AS or you wont use it and discard it as "worse" because you worship the AS god and it takes a HUGE boost for that to change...

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No. It doesn't even have to be equally as good as AS, it could probably be slightly less good as AS, and most people would still switch.

There is a tremendous amount of motivation for switching to a pistol alternative, if it can at least compete with AS, because it's a better way to spend our IP, perks, and we can do pvm damage.

So basically, your reasoning is just wrong. If a pistol came out that was near equally as good to using an AS weapon, even if the pistol didn't have AS, most all crats would switch to it fairly quickly.

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Originally Posted by Koizumi

Now that s a friggin damn good idea!
Add the 100% remod proc to crat dread gun!

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Don't you think 100% chance is a bit too high? :)

25% would be more like it, with some 10 sec duration and no AS weapon allowed at the same time ofc (i.e. must use two dread pistols, like docs have to, for their DoT).

Or maybe craphander allowed (dunno, you lose 25% from other gun so it's kinda cool).

But again, you proly ain't gonna like it 'cos of proc nature (I would, if I had reasonably high AR with my weapon).

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Originally Posted by Klod

Don't you think 100% chance is a bit too high? :)

25% would be more like it, with some 10 sec duration

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If its 25% even on misses, sure, why not.

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Originally Posted by Koizumi

If its 25% even on misses, sure, why not.

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Now, why would it proc on miss?

BTW, what's the highest AR crat can get with pistols (I have 7 melee energy ones, so I wouldn't know)?

I mean, it would depend on the effect of the weapon.

If it did a damage proc, and the damage was similar to an AS, it would have to proc about as often as an 11 second AS recharge. If the damage was less than AS, it would have to proc more often than 11 seconds, if it was greater than AS, it would have to proc less often than 11 seconds.

If it gave us access to a special nuke or debuff, then there would be no proc involved at all.

If it was an evade debuff, it would have to be 100% for it to be worth it, and it would have to be a big evade debuff like the remod.

You get the idea...