DD Soldiers are the nerfest prof in AO, main concern of everyone!!!

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Nov 17th, 2008, 16:14:26
Alternity

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Originally Posted by Koizumi

Grief Victim?

impressed... :rolleyes:
Nov 17th, 2008, 16:29:28
howlin

Fixing the burst and FA mechanic would go a long way imo.
Just make it so we can FA/burst mobs even if we are not concealed please.
Nov 17th, 2008, 17:40:07
Hacre

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Originally Posted by Berael

Is there anybody who is happy with their tool set?

I am. Well I'm happy with 2 out of 3 of my TL7s.

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Originally Posted by howlin

Fixing the burst and FA mechanic would go a long way imo.
Just make it so we can FA/burst mobs even if we are not concealed please.

Lol :D
Nov 17th, 2008, 17:51:18
Klodovik

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Originally Posted by howlin

Fixing the burst and FA mechanic would go a long way imo.
Just make it so we can FA/burst mobs even if we are not concealed please.

It would be complete madness, if they allowed something like that. :(
Nov 17th, 2008, 19:39:08
schloops

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Originally Posted by Berael

Well this just takes everything, doesn't it? Really.

So who -isn't- the nerfest profession now? Seriously, it seems like i've heard whines from everybody... Is there anybody who is happy with their tool set?

Me happy.

Happy on my nt... not complaining about my doc ( that thing is a gimp, so no reason for it to be any good^^ ).
Nov 17th, 2008, 22:12:49
Slynn

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Originally Posted by Bubbacrush

I am shocked to think that soldiers (even DD soldiers) are far behind and forgotten. I have seen the difference between a fantastic DD soldier and a crappy one, and I can tell you the difference is huge.

If DD soldier's somehow got left behind, it's prolly because the crap ones are talking more than the good ones.

I couldnt disagree more, how come u say that crap if u even dont have one?
Nov 17th, 2008, 22:19:01
Rurounin

Don't feed the trolls :P

Just swap on your KMP5/JPGPP, perk SMG Mastery 10 and voila, DD soldier ready to kick some ass :)
Nov 17th, 2008, 23:02:14
Manicmouse

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Originally Posted by Rurounin

Don't feed the trolls :P

Just swap on your KMP5/JPGPP, perk SMG Mastery 10 and voila, DD soldier ready to kick some ass :)

+ throw on some CC, elec gloves, dchest, 300 scope, snipers friend, berserker imp etc etc ^^

just a little coin needed in there ;)
Nov 17th, 2008, 23:16:14
Berinda

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Originally Posted by Klod

You going all serious now and using petty attacks like this Zset based one, makes it even more funny. :D

Isn't a petty attack. I'm merely saying someone as over-the-top dedicated to playing an MP as you is in an extremely poor decision to comment on the survivability of other profs.
Nov 17th, 2008, 23:31:48
Obtena

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Originally Posted by Berinda

Well, as someone who has a tank-like assault rifle soldier and a full-out DD soldier (only thing I'm missing is my last AI damage perk and a sniper's friend), kind of pissed me off to see a 210 shade OD my damage soldier AND have the ability to survive more damage.

It's always been this way. Not really a reason to be pissed off about something where the expectation has always been the same. Ever since I have started playing, when comparing equivalently good shade vs. good soldier in PVM, shade would always beat soldiers in terms of damage and survival and I (and everyone else) shouldn't expect that to change.
Nov 17th, 2008, 23:36:19
Manicmouse

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Originally Posted by Obtena

It's always been this way. Not really a reason to be pissed off about something where the expectation has always been the same. Ever since I have started playing, when comparing equivalently good shade vs. good soldier in PVM, shade would always beat soldiers in terms of damage and survival and I (and everyone else) shouldn't expect that to change.

umm Berinda is saying that a 210 shade shouldn't OD a 220 DD soldier? I agree with that.

He's not exactly comparing a 220 to a 220 (or even a 217 to 220!!)
Nov 17th, 2008, 23:56:26
Ellarisa

o.o is this for real?

the sad thing is, as a soldier who made sacrifices a lot for DD you still have way more survivability then an engineer (and prolly then a shade or MA too, not sure though, dont have those at tl7)

wanna talk sacrifices? 8.8k hp, CM+3 hud/util swaps to cast top buffs, not being worth a damn in pvp (except against some solds in my case ;) ).

the way i see it when we talk pure pvm (ccl about pvp) is this
soldiers: good DD and good tanking abilities (and they have uber dmg buffs and reflects on the side)
engineers: very good DD (if they want to, not usually the case) but go splat fast (killed by aliens: 176 on dark), lesser reflects, crap dmg buffs

not gonna comment on shades and MAs cause they're not completly logical, although if they go to extreme DD they prolly dont have much survivability left either

that aside, maybe an alternative for KMP5 would be nice? gun with a bigger clip then jpgpp might be cool too, small clips suck (i want a bigger clip on bigburger >.>).

oh and please dont say stupid stuff like take my reflects, take my hp, etc etc. cause when they do, you'll be whining your ass off that they did anyway (wouldnt blame you either).

Greetings,

Ellarisa
Darkellarisa 220/30/69 DD whore Engineer

PS: soldiers are funny when they get emo :D
PPS: 5 creds says 95% of the people posting after me wont read the whole thing and bash me into the ground.

Edit: messy posts are ftw!
Nov 18th, 2008, 00:02:28
Crat360

Fine give them new pvm weapon:

1.50 attack
1.50 recharge
high min dmg
decent max dmg
decent crit
burst
fa
equip time 8.00s
-50% reflect all dmg AC
-1.5khp
-10%healing efficency

sorry for rather vague damage numbers ;p

Now you can choose between living and DD, like most profs have to do, sacrafices to do good DD or good tanking?
Nov 18th, 2008, 00:23:26
Shimka

rofl cry more
Nov 18th, 2008, 01:00:12
Malaxia

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Originally Posted by Darkripper

indeed!
ofc shades are the best DDs in game *points at good pvm shades*

Pfff can you deal over 600k DPM on a mob ? Because pvm crats can :D
Nov 18th, 2008, 02:48:50
heartless888

have you guys ever seen a pvp soldier fight a pure DD smg soldier? its too funny
Nov 18th, 2008, 02:59:27
Gatester

Wish i could get +1500 damage add selfed like sols lol (already ran the setup).

First dshark sols ofc aren't gonna be top dd :p And even pure ofab shark sol won't be top dd. You can perk 3 whole wep lines with SL perks, use FA burst fling, and get an insane amount of damage add, so if soldiers focused on pvm damage that can do just that.

Same for enfs which is probly why 1hb line and 2hb line are sort of left behind cause id use a 3rd damage line on my enf for perk damage and damage add lol. Already benefitting greatly from 2he 1he setup in pvm damage and yes it nerfs my pvp greatly but I wanted my pvm damage to be more fun and higher and it is.

If you are asking for a huge dd bump that is useable while in another setup ie tanking or pvp than no, if you want easier pvm damage bump that won't benefit those areas then a small boost if anything to other damage types maybe.
Nov 18th, 2008, 03:08:40
Berinda

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Originally Posted by gatester

First dshark sols ofc aren't gonna be top dd :p And even pure ofab shark sol won't be top dd.

No one's been talking about shark soldiers. They've been talking about soldiers in pure DD setups.
Nov 18th, 2008, 03:21:53
Terrorgnomy

Assault Rifle soldiers got by far more love as DD soldiers .. so some nice stuff for the damage dealing soldiers would be pretty great
Nov 18th, 2008, 04:11:50
Xfire

hey uhh, how about soldiers are tanks, give em mongo or summat instead of dd, they hit too hard anyways

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