Printable View
rather spend my time helping others and new players get stuff they need and socilising. the 2 220's i have dont need anything so i usly only do endgame raids if a crat or nt is needed and i dont roll on loot unless its something i can use for my 200 fix ive been working on for the last 6 months.
and one of those things is making sure they have a city. looks like upkeep is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rikaria
i was not talking about org members i was talking about noobies to the game that are not in an org and have just started. i used to give them 1-2m and help them in subs/totw/steps/ even follow em about in sl with a doc to heal them till they get to know there toon a bit or a fix just for +dd buff or a hot.
but this is going off topic so ill shut up about this.
100m/month is nothing really...
I've been keeping mort 2a for more then 3 years alone, with 105m upkeep just because i like it. (full city + decorations)
if you have an org (more people), then 100m should be the least of your concerns.
edit:
who cannot afford this, its probably extra lazy, or a new player. if he is new he has a goal, something to play the game for, something to look up to etc... if its the lazy kind? keep asking for 100k at grid...
also high upkeep is ok for reducing ingame credz, economy is haywire anyway.
100M is like net profit from one or two items you buy and sell...
Some of has had low rents for long time, but some things change. It can be hard for very small orgs... But you have to make trade-offs sometimes.
or maby have RL stuff and commitments in other mmo's
offering credit exchange 1:1 EvE for AO
Just to compare, we currently pay under 56m for a city with every single buffing building, a guardhouse(soon to be a buffing bldg), and a park filling in for the old market building. I do think the ECM and uplink ought to be rent-free structures.
.
Okay, I thought I remembered somewhere that the new city system would bring changes that were beneficial to players compared with what we have now. I can't find where I read that to save my life, but these new prices don't really seem to fit in with that philosophy.
I'd agree with you, except that effort and time are two different things. I was able to make a maximum of a billion a day before (most of which has been swallowed up by our existing city rent in the meantime), but then I graduated from university and got a job. And quite frankly, I don't think anybody wants to log into their favorite MMO at the end of a working day only to think "oh great now I have to start farming creds for the damn city instead of just, you know, enjoying the game". Way to ruin your hobby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Windguaerd
It's not always that simple. Although you might be aware they exist, you don't actually realize just how many drama queens, trouble-makers, leechers and trolls there are in this game until you've been that person everybody dumps their complaints about other people on. I'll bet if we made everybody join the same org and then started kicking the trouble-makers, we'd be left with a smaller org than you'd expect at the end of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Windguaerd
^ This. At the very least.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dagget
^ Also this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lliers
Lets call this what it is -
1. An attempt by FC to remove farm orgs (and small player orgs?)
2. A credit sink
OK, the push to remove farm orgs - then make the CC be instantly raidable so folks don't need multiple cities to farm lead bots during their hours of play (the sitting around to put the CC on, wait an hour, take it down, rinse and repeat). I never understood this logic - as long as you have CRU for the CC - remove the timer locks.
But I also don't understand the cost punishment - seems harsh for a game that really needs to do better by it's players tbh.
The credit sink. Now this one I get, but what form of credit input to the game are you planning? Or is the goal to dry up all the current credits? If so, this is just another issue for new players. Player's farming nodrops and instances are just trading credits - but those that go to rent are out of the game - so again, whats the future hold for new credits? Do you really expect an org to do RK loot runs for their credits?
And, for all you folks that are going to start the "too lazy, earn it, etc.." dont bother, because you are only thinking of yourself and not the health of the game. An org owing a city is not a luxury, its part of the game (heck, I think an org should be able to quest for one).
People putting an hour's effort into keeping a fully built city for a month? That would take an org of at least 2 people, maybe 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belph
If cities had been a new thing to the game I wouldnt argue about the price. But the fact is that with the new way upkeep works, if you had a small/medium city before and want to fit all the buildings you had, you will end up with double the upkeep and probably maybe more. The only actual gain we get is the possibility to put up more buildings, for an even higher price.
Holy cow, Wind, what are you farming? And can you share your money making secrets with me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Windguaerd
I play AO -- tops -- about an hour a day. In that time I'd like to do something more than just farm stuff. I'm currently only froob. (And even as a froob, I am often called on to help people twink, do dungeon runs, etc...)
In my experience, I can make about 1.5M in shopfood per hour. I average about 30M a month. Enough to cover our 22M upkeep and a little more so I can take a month off now and then.
We are not a farm org. We are a legitimate org and would like to offer city buffs and raids to our members. We do not have a huge plot with all the bells and whistles. The only "luxury building" in our city is the sauna.
I'm not saying that we want everything for 22M. We just want roughly what we currently have now at roughly the same cost. 30M or even 35M is not unreasonable, but we'd be looking at 45M+ which is more than double what we pay now.
For me, I could care less about the rent. Even with the silly high prices, could easily cover it for about 40 years without making one additional penny. But, I have to wonder how anyone in there right mind thinks this will do one thing to add players to the game. There is a dichotomy here. Players who have been around for a decade or more have more credits than they know what to do with and honestly don't care. New players on the other hand have absolutely no way on earth to afford a city of there own unless they want to turn into bot farmers. Also, the tax building ia a farce. The rent on it is 15M and the return, per prior posts, is 1%. So it would take 1.5B monthly sales to cover the tax building alone. It would take well over 130B monthly in sales to cover the rent for the city. I could easily cover the rent from the 1% org tax on the proceeds of my sales under the old market system for our existing city. There is no way one person, except a person who does little but farm bots, can cover the cost from sales tax alone.
As I have said in several other posts, trying to use cities or other essential game items to extract credits from the game is short sighted and foolish. All it will do is limit the enthusiasm and interest of new players as the benefits would be forever outside their affordability window (I know they could find a existing org, assuming they can find one that takes new players). There is also the credibility issue here. Rents should be closer to what was promised-- no more than an existing medium I city. Otherwise this is another bait and switch by funcom.
As a side note, it would be nice if discussions were more focused on the issues rather than what appears to be attacks on how others play the game. That is what makes this game so much fun. There is no one right or wrong way to play it, get buffs, etc. With a couple of exceptions, whose posters shall remain nameless in this post at least, every post in the thread has some merit.
I'll run in the same issue since there is perhaps 2 or 3 active left on my side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rikaria
But let's be honest : If you are 6, the cost that was made for perhaps 20 players will drop on the shoulders of only 6. It is best to plan ahead.
I'll grab a large plot and get the minimum of bulding there. Then I'll decide based of how much we can get in the org bank but tbh I couldn't enforce work back when cities were introduced and I will not again. We grabbed a 25m plot when AI was out and could pay it for years... until now that is.
Bingo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahndra-Corvid
Ok, I finished building my city to match the buildings I have in my Serenity Islands city ... bought the ones missing from the org-leader voucher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cinealta
I purchased the Royal-large plot and built large HQ, Mining Ops, Silo, Grid, Swimming Pool and a NLC wampa ... plus ECM and Sat Uplink. Did we need these last two for Serenity?
The rent for the above came out to 89.5M credits vs the 46,007,000 I pay for the same buildings now. How is 89.5M equal or less than current Serenity cities as we were told in prior monthly updates discussing this server migration? To me doubling my rent for the same buildings is way too high.
Also ... Why is there a rent increase for ECM, Sat Uplink and Wampas (17M total for the 3, 2M was for the wampa)? These are not buildings that add City Benefits to players.
I double checked and the Skybar, Cafe, Park and Hot Dog stand did not add to the rent.
Cine
im gona log to test now and remove all the junk/unneeded buildings to see what the rent will be on a large plot. the small plot is just not viable at all as evey toon needs a mine and silo and a small cant hold it.
EDIT coming soon (TM)
135.5m all less sauna (my error)
113m NO guard tower or pool
98m NO tax office
leaving :
Large HQ
Notum mine
Silo
landing pad
Grid
ECM
Radar
4 Whampas
no change on :
Sky bar
Cafe
Park
new city vender balloon thingy
Can't wait to see bot prices when farmers adjust them to compensate for the higher upkeep price.
Here some info on making credits!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lliers
Valuable items to Sell
Teh Guide to Earning Creds Beyond Your Wildest Dreams
List Of Low QL Valuable Items
How to Make Money at Low Levels
How to get Grid Armor doing missions and making millions!
Credits Guide
How a lvl 150 can make millions!
When everyone else is paying a higher upkeep, they'll have less to spend. Prices will adjustQuote:
Originally Posted by MassDebater