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Originally posted by Silinar
Stromm said:
On the last note first, if we choose to help omni, then that would indeed make us favorable to omni, and thus as you all say, not neutral. Individual members help clan when they feel like it, or not when they don't. There is no rule to help clans, nor omni. I can think of few times when individuals in the org have helped clans, but no, not as a whole. The main reason to that is due to the attacks on us.
The IRK were attacked in the beginning. Ask the Dominatrix Society of Tir. I'm sure some others remember too. We were there. We helped defend the base. We also helped protect their little hawii spot from omni aggression. Eventually that spot fell, but there were skermishes before it fell that we helped. I'm sure Nealandbob could back me up on verifying this.
I hear what you say. But not all of it is indeed fact friend.
The only difference between the begining of NW between IRK, and EO is EO retaliated. IRK stood and took it. They were being attacked, perhaps as we have been, I dunno, based on the original contract to kill Steel. A second flare up, and this I believe more to the point is a personal grudge a clanner has against EO's president, Sumokan.
In defending IRK base in little hawii, Sumo, knowing the base was under attack, tabed, and killed a clanner. This clanner happend to be helping in the defence and was a commong tab-kill ... as neutrals have been subject to for years before NW. She was indignant and petulent. She started a fued with her alternate in Opposing force against EO. after sometime griefing on our (then) mort base, the issue was supposedly closed... since then tho, we've always been attacked by clanners. And for the most part, we retaliated :)
Should omni wish to mess with us, we will react in kind.
That, is not the action of an org affiliated with omni. Sorry to burst your bubble.
You want to look at real world wars? Holland and switzerland were neutral in WWII, as was the US initially. Due to US intrests and aggressive actions against the US, the US enters the side against their aggressors. Should we follow that route, right now then I guess we'd eb omni. But, there was also Switzerland and Holland. Holland was invaded and decimated. Switz were left alone because the mountains of their lands proved highly in-hospitable to an army. So lets look at holland. When they were invaded, did they fight back? or did they welcome the germans with open arms? You tell me, because I truly don't know and sometime soon may look it up for the heck of it.
To fight does not contradict the meaning of neutrality. The meaning of the war is Idealogical differences. Neutrals could care less for clan and omni Ideals. We dont' fight for those reasons. Each neutral org fights for it's own reason, and fight they do. You expresion of neutrality then is the same as BDS, never pick up a gun. Well ... I don't see a lot of lvl 1 pacifists. So then Funcom must have ment something different when they said neutrality. Hmm ... neutral to the war between omni and clan perhaps? I don't care who wins the war, as long as I get cash in the process. Other neutrals fight for other reasons.
Lion Strimple said:
The only reason Lions Den has "trouble" with EO is because ya took our base ;p and we still want it back. So yes, we will continue to attempt that. and I never said I was honorable ;p I'll do what ever it takes, but I'm sure many of my comrades are. this is not crying and whining ... you can see plenty of that else where. This is, how shall I put it, constructive bantering :)
If you want us to do something constructive, what do you suggest? You say its up to us to resolve this issue, but in truth, its the other way around. The log of the meeting with one of your generals is fairly intresting as well.
here's a small quote:
Thats the reason LD took the spot :) We arn't whining about it :) Just find it funny that ya say one thing, and do another :) There is plenty more to that log, but I wont' post any more of it without permission :)
I can't think of anything more constructive ... so if you feel lured to our base, attack :) I love a good fight :)
As for the neutrals being a third faction ... believe it if ya want. I won't deny it. I personally feel that way too, but that is my own belief. Other neutrals will fight that definition though. If there was another tag for indipendent. Or better yet, a merc tag ... let us be green while the rest are grey, blue, and orange :) I would be happy. Unfortianatly tho, funcom limits this and lumps it all into neutrality. I also personally feel that more then half of both omni and clan would be better with a neutral tag, as their actions would suggest. They don't follow the idealologies of either side ...they do their own thing, and in the idealogical war between clan and omni ,they are neutral and care less.
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If you look at the original owner of that spot, it was Bah!. And next to it are the Dust Bunnies. They been turning grey due to our fight against bah! and the dust bunnies. A lot of intense fighting there too. As you may see in the timeline, they attacked us, and are being retaliated on. Thats what it looks like. they lose towers. We give the spot to others. We care not who sits in the spot, be it neutral, clan, or omni. As long as its not any of those we are at war with. All in all, the effect you may feel is a slight 1% or 2% reduction in Exp bonus. Otherwise, it doesn't effect you in any way, be you clan, neutral, or omni. We don't attack an org, untill they attack us. If you wanna be put on the hit list, then attack one of our bases. Its that simple. We retaliate. We dont' sit around picking daisies while our base gets detroyed... as suprising as that is with us being neutral.
You know ... if someone you didnt' know came down the street for no apparent reason and punched you in the face. What kind of person are you? Would you say, aww its ok, and give 'em a hug. Would you get pissed but let it pass. Or would you hit 'em back?
Just a tip. The more you post, the less you'll be paid attention to. Posts > 2 pages = unread posts.