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Would it be possible to change the requirements on the WARP and FOLDs so that it's not "side = clan" but rather "side !=omni" this way Neutrals can warp wherever, and Clanner, and Omni can warp to neutral territory.
Just a suggestion.. (and remove any restriction on the warps to neutral territory)
Bump for this, since the neutral team warps are mostly useless even for neutrals. (1 sided player in the team and we can't go anywhere)Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistel
i second that
gotta agree
Not true... you all go somewhere, they go "wtf? where u go?" :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Keldros
Still, I agree, would be very nice :)
Obviously, you've never tested this. For the neutral team warp nanos, it's exactly as I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkbane
If I am on a team of 5 neutrals and 1 sided, the whole team (including me) goes nowhere.
I say "WTF do they mean, team side isn't neutral?"
WTB a test server where people actually test things. And occasionally reading threads where we point out problems and suggest fixes would also help.
Agreed.
For one thing I'm sick of having to kick a couple of team members and tell them they have to walk home because they aren't neutral, I understand it for the warps to sided cities as nobody wants to team with a NT and get deliberately warped to an opposing city and ganked (Although there has yet to be a fix for engis doing this).
However, making the sided warps from =omni to !=clan and =clan to !=omni would be very helpful, allowing neutrals to make use of all the warps available (Though common sense should dictate not to use the Tir one unless you know what you're doing)
It requires one simple change that wouldn't take a developer the time it takes for the kettle to boil for his next cup of coffee.
It doesn't even require looking at from a game balance perspective, as neutrals can already travel to these cities.
The problem is, the sided warps and neutral warps aren't even comparable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms_Idoru
Suppose you have a team with 3 sided and 3 neuts, with both a sided NT and a neutral NT.
Currently, the sided NT can execute his warp nano and teleport half the team to a safe city. The neutral NT can't even execute the nano due to the "team side = neutral" requirement, so the neutral half of the team isn't going anywhere.
The only situation in which a neutral team warp can be used is when all 6 team members are neutral, otherwise no one's going anywhere.
So much for the idea of neutrals having an "ease of transportation" advantage to compensate for lack of tier 3 and side-restricted weapons.
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It just grates on my nerves to have someone from the "Council of testers" try to argue that I'm wrong without, you know, testing to see if he's actually right first. It's even worse considering it's been posted in the NT forums more than once, starting over a year ago...
And Silirrion, if you're reading this...
The next time you think it's a rhetorical question when you ask me if I think the devs aren't testing their work,
Read this, then this, and finally, scroll back to the top of the thread you are reading now. Note the dates on each one, and explain exactly what issues have prevented the devs from fixing this issue.
No need to be rude. I'll admit, since the first time it happened (which was a few years ago) I've not even suggested trying it, I've just left the team and got home under my own steam. But that is quite definitely how it did behave...Quote:
Originally Posted by Keldros
It was broken about 2 years ago because sided people weren't getting tokens when teamed with neutrals. Yes, that needed to be fixed, but it seems pretty stupid to change the way team alignment works on the live servers without examining the nanos it affects. Maybe that would make sense if we were talking about hundreds of nanos, but we're talking about what? Clan tokens + Omni tokens + RK team warps ( 12 total) + SL warps for MPs (that's what? 2 per playfield? 16 total), giving a total of 30 things to test, and each one either passes or fails on the first attempt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkbane
Even if this hadn't been brought up multiple times on the forums, this is something that 6 people could do in maybe 1-2 days, not something that an entire test server should still miss after 2 years.
If it's been reported throught the correct channels it should theoretically be in the system, but I can make sure it's at least in the tracker the BHs use (and PQA at least do see...)
that would be kinda cool. I'd have an excuse to keep my warp nanos for bore.
So wait... Something might actually be done?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkbane
About a complaint posted on the NT forum?
*Dies from shock*
Lemme see if I get this straight- if this issue actually does get "fixed" then:
1) Omni and Clan NTs will get eight new Warps-Warp Time and Space: Borealis2) Neutral NTs will get 16 warps-
Warp Time and Space: Newland
Team Warp Time and Space: Borealis
Team Warp Time and Space: Newland
Fold Time and Space: Borealis
Fold Time and Space: Newland
Team Fold Time and Space: Borealis
Team Fold Time and Space: NewlandWarp Time and Space: Rome3) Everybody is happy.
Warp Time and Space: Omni-1
Warp Time and Space: Tir
Warp Time and Space: West Athen
Team Warp Time and Space: Rome
Team Warp Time and Space: Omni-1
Team Warp Time and Space: Tir
Team Warp Time and Space: West Athen
Fold Time and Space: Rome
Fold Time and Space: Omni-1
Fold Time and Space: Tir
Fold Time and Space: West Athen
Team Fold Time and Space: Rome
Team Fold Time and Space: Omni-1
Team Fold Time and Space: Tir
Team Fold Time and Space: West Athen
There's one small problem with this that everyone seems to have forgotten ... point #3. Nothing is EVER done that makes everybody happy.
They will only change it if it really p**ses someone off, so c'mon you non-warping profs... get your ire up and b*tch about this so that they'll know that everyone will NOT be pleased with this obviously useful modification..... which, come to think about it, may actually get it changed. ;) [playful sarcastic remarks=off]
In all seriousness, I hope this gets fixed.... I would even accept that ONLY Neutral NT team warps get modified so they work in mixed teams... Not that I wouldn't mind gaining eight new warp nanos, but Neutral NTs should be the primary beneficiaries here.